Requests for Stewardship/Archive 1

Void's Request for Stewardship

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * No recent acitivity, has passed the minimum 7 day period. The threshold of 20 users commenting has not been passed therefore this request is unsuccessful. John (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

User: Void ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I'm requesting steward as a way to help out the community in a larger scale than I am currently able. My primary interest/area of expertise is in the general administration/management of wikis (which is rather impossible without some sort of global permission).

On meta, I currently am a wikicreator, and have created more than a dozen wikis. On [//publictestwiki.com our testwiki], I am the only user with the [//publictestwiki.com/wiki/TestWiki:Consuls consul] permission ("highest" local permission) that is not a sysadmin. There I have worked with abuse filters and permission management. I also seem to be NDKilla's go to guy for cleanup there :).

On other (non-WMF) wikis, I have held/currently hold checkuser, oversight, and rename. I am familiar with all of the MediaWiki interface, and have mastered most things. However, of which I may not be familiar with, I am confident in my ability to quickly master. Even so, I can easily recognise when I am out of my depth, and am not afraid to contact the other stewards with questions (and I promise I won't nag).

Questions for candidate
Additional question from Amanda: I'm kinda hesitant to support this, mainly because I believe SPF and others have said that Miraheze doesn't currently need new Stewards. Also, I believe that Stewards are expected to help out with technical stuff in addition to the housekeeping work. Can you show your ability to send PR's to GitHub and have 90%-95% of them approved? Amanda (talk) 13:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Stewards are not expected to help out at all and if they do, being a steward means nothing :). Stewards are here as a community-only role and 0% technical experience or knowledge is really needed. John (talk) 13:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So if no knowledge is needed, does that mean that in theory, any Miraheze user in good standing could apply for Stewardship? Amanda (talk) 13:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. As long as the requirements for appointment are met. Any successful request under those conditions will be appointed. Similarly stewards will remain in the position until they're inactive or the requirements for revocation are met. John (talk) 13:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, I have two accepted requests on mw-config, and one bug fix on CreateWiki. It's not all that much, but I've only become semi-active on phab in the last few weeks. -- Void  Whispers 22:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * like John said there is NO REQUIREMENT for stewards to contribute at all in technical ways. On the contrary, one of the biggest reasons I'm going to support this is because there is a distinction between stewards and sysadmins. Although I think the current stewards do a great job, and I'm not sure we need another, I do want a steward that isn't a system administrator, and I believe Void is the best candidate (and not just because (s)he's the only one requesting it right now). -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments by other users
I think makes an interesting and very worthy point regarding having a steward that is not a system administrator. With the recent database incident that took a few days and a great deal of effort to get things running smoothly again, it would be helpful to have someone that doesn't necessarily deal with those situations but is able to help out in a steward role dealing with other issues. Obviously, the database incident was an extreme case and I use that only as an example but having a steward available to deal with other requests would ease the pressure on the current stewards, who, in more extreme cases, would be dealing exclusively with other issues. Borderman  talk 12:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Support
Well, if Stewards need no technical experience, and there is no prerequisite restriction on who can be nominated, then in theory everyone could be Stewards, and we would all do our part to help run Miraheze together - instead of 3 to 6 people doing all the work. Like that'll ever happen. Amanda (talk) 20:18, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow. The logic is so bad here that I can't even begin.  So I guess I won't.  The above comment is wrong is every way.  Labster (talk) 20:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Notice that I did say "In theory" and "Like that'll ever happen". Both of these imply that the logic/point above would be the ideal situation, but that the chances of it actually happening are next to zero. Amanda (talk) 21:05, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Like said above, there is no requirement for Stewards to do any 'technical' work. On the contrary, when the database server crashed last night and restarted, I totally forgot to create any status updates or notices on facebook etc. Outreach and notifying users of service issues could definitely be part of what Stewards do, as opposed to sysadmins directly. Also, Void is the only non-system administrator that is a Consul on the test wiki, so he is one of three users with the ability to remove bureaucrat from another user on that wiki. Long story short, I think that Void is like the best candidate that isn't a purely technical person. Although me, SPF, and John (the three Stewards) do handle Steward requests in a timely manner for the most part, I think all of us have (some) issues communicating and handling other community issues. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 15:53, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Because I don't know users in the Miraheze and other wiki-based communities I thought I wouldn't really have a worthy opinion here because I have no grounds for backing any claims of approval. However, that said, I did quickly check Void's wiki background and, in particular, the extensive Wikipedia activity that is clearly evident there (this was purely to educate myself of any potential abilities). It seems to me that someone who spends a substantial amount of time and commitment to a series of on-going projects in preventing unconstructive and/or potentially damaging contributions could perchance be seen as an asset to Miraheze's community. In addition, the recent spate of creating wikis shows a keenness to help out and, given half a chance, fulfil a role with broader scope and challenges. I definitely agree with NDKilla's point above regarding a candidate that isn't mainly a technical person. Borderman  talk 23:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Abstain
I'm going to abstain from offically voting on this per the recent comments by and. I think a handful of you know where I stand on the whole "partially founder managed wiki farm" and "Stewards have the technical ability to override founders" concepts, so I'm not going to discuss it again, and I ask that no one else mentions it in a reply to this comment (feel free to email me if you don't know what I'm talking about). I'm going to be brief and to the point here. I do think that more Stewards are needed - there are unanswered requests on SN from over a week ago. I personally don't have an opinion on the non-sysadmin appointment. My personal feelings are that Stewards should merely be trusted community members in order to have a successful request - perhaps wiki creator/other local rights may help too. There should be no other conditions - as long as you are trusted, have not been blocked in the past month or so, and have shown a good record of cooperation, you should be appointed. Others may disagree with me, but that's where I stand right now. No offense to the candidate here, but personally I would chose if it was up to me. Amanda (talk) 03:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Oppose
Sorry Void, but I feel that we already have enough stewards (3). Everything is already handled fast and well. MacFan4000 (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * How many active wikis does it take before a fourth steward can be appointed? It seems pointless to me to have a Request for Stewardship page if, at least for the unforeseeable future, every request is going to be opposed because we already have enough stewards. The current stewards do an amazing job already but I believe more stewards (maybe one or two) would be useful, especially if there are serious technical issues that the other stewards/system administrators would be dealing with. Borderman   talk 18:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I also agree with Borderman and am curious as to your response. Also, not to be dismissive as everyone, even anonymous users, can support/oppose these requests with reasoning, I think you've made it clear you want notthing to do with this community so why should we let you decide the future of the community? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 15:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

sorry for my abrupt return to Miraheze, but I saw this and thought: Wait... didn't I request this months back and get declined for the exact reason of "More stewards aren't needed at this time?" I'm starting to think there's an issue here. Likewise, this is nothing against you personally, but if I'm to be declined stewardship when it was not needed just as much as it was now, I can't really justify a reason to support this.. so this is more of a "There's absolutely no need for a new steward at this time, especially if I had the same reasoning back then, and got declined for the exact same position with little to no influx of activity." Sammy (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't for the life of me understand why you would oppose this request just because your request was denied. That way of thinking seems a little redundant but I do understand your frustration, especially if you can contribute to the community. However, it shouldn't mean someone else can't be granted stewardship just because you didn't. Miraheze is constantly changing and I have noticed over the last few days Void has been busy creating lots of wikis! We all know it's more than just about creating wikis. Yes, the stewards' role and responsibilities are important and request should not be taken lightly. I would be interested to see how the current stewards cast their options. Borderman   talk 18:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Per above comment on MacFan's comment, I find it rather amusing that you more or less come back just to oppose this request. Why should users who leave here because they don't get Stewardship or sysadmin rights be allowed to decide the future of the rest of the community? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 15:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I think. We enough three steward and I can't see you at phab or github anytime. Sorry H1 (talk) 03:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Untrue. Void is right here on Phabricator. Amanda (talk) 14:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think Amanda has sock for Void ? o_O H1 (talk) 11:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you are trying to say here.... That is my phabricator account, and the only accounts I have on wiki are this one (User:Void) and User:Void-test. -- Void  Whispers 15:53, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Extensive CheckUsers were performed on User:DeltaQuad (Amanda) and all related accounts. I assure you that User:Void is not a sockpuppet of any of the other accounts. Additionally I find this a rediculous accusation since you yourself edit from an open proxy used by other globally banned/blocked/locked users. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 15:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I use open proxy for priavacy my address or locate. If you know I can use 1000 open proxy provider. :-D H1 (talk) 05:30, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section

MT7's Request for Stewardship
User: MT7 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Offering to help and I want to be cooperative. I want to offering help here. I promise I can't abuse the tools. And I can handle the troll or vandalisme. I also handle mediawiki interface and I translator at translatewiki.net, I hope I can be approve with community. Feel free to ask more questions. Thanks for read my request.

Hi guys. I would like to ask the right steward. I like to miraheze. I want to be bound by this community. May I be the steward for help. I already know about checkuser and oversight. I will also keep the public's privacy or the privacy policy. I know the duties of a steward. So I volunteeredto be a steward. My shortcomings are not very proficient in English. I know that all here are very proficient english. I had never been a steward before. Thanks for the read myre

Comments by other users
Hmmm... I don't know whether I can support this or not, because I can barely understand what is being said! Very poor grammar/spelling on behalf of the requester here. Amanda (talk) 12:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC)~
 * I do note that the user account "MT7" does not exist on Wikimedia Meta, and CentralAuth shows that the only linked account is an account at en wikipedia with 7 total edits and no permissions. I'm going to assume good faith and believe that they are under a different username, but per below, these statements need to be confirmed. Amanda (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Please confirm your user account on the WMF project so that we confirm that you are the same person and have the user rights that you claim you do. Reception123 (talk) ( contribs  ) 12:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What is the effect of my confirmation? What can I instantly became steward? If not, I will not waste time and show all to them that I worked in miraheze.

You cant just delete your RfS and re-create it to get rid of people's comments. Just update your original statement or post new comments. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 17:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I only want to explain for supper explain. MT7 (talk) 04:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Support
I somewhat agree with my sister on this one, but also disagree slightly. In my personal opinion, local/global experience on this project shouldn't matter. As long as the requester knows what they are doing enough to properly manage steward tools, they should be granted. Unfortunately, with this case, it is difficult to know how much MT7 actually knows because of the language barrier. However, I am totally willing to give them a chance. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 15:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Abstain
I no longer directly oppose this as it is clear from RFC that MT7 has a view for stewardship that is more ideal for personal/local communities - a topic that I strongly support. However, because of the lack of knowledge of English, and especially since the latest description says that he has never been a steward before, I'm not sure if I can completely support this (whereas I probably could if the original fact about being a WMF steward was true). Amanda (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Oppose
Merely because of the awful grammar/spelling in the initial request. Stewards need to be able to communicate clearly with other stewards at the least, and ideally the entire Miraheze community when/if needed. Amanda (talk) 12:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I from non en language I heavy to learn it. I'm sorry for that. MT7 (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If your level of English is not fluent, you may want to consider not requesting advanced permissions as this farm is primarily in English. In any regards, I still cannot support this request because your statements about being a WMF Steward have not been confirmed and I don't feel that you have enough experience here to be trusted with steward tools. Amanda (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

DeltaQuad's Request for Stewardship
User: DeltaQuad ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
If MT7 can request stewardship at such an early stage, then so can I. This will definitely not is unlikely to succeed, but I'm doing this merely as a statement anyway as I would love to help the Miraheze community. I have a lot of experience working with the MediaWiki interface, and I feel that I could easily manage the Miraheze project from a technical point of view. However, I do tell you do not grant me sysadmin/shell access, as I am not good with servers and would probably break things! However, I am becoming more and more of an expert using the tools of MediaWiki, both basic and advanced, and therefore I think I would make a good Steward - even though I know doubt that no one else will agree with me.

Additional comments given by user (if any)
Again, this request is merely filed as a statement that I and probably lots of others know what we are doing when it comes to MediaWiki and therefore all established users should either have default access to or be able to request access successfully to any part of the technical interface. I also note that with the recent spambot attacks on my wiki, having access to checkuser and oversight could be helpful.

Comments by other users
"I feel that I could easily manage the Miraheze project from a technical point of view." Do you realize that Stewards are a completely community-driven role and not technical in nature? Stewardship never implies shell access, GitHub commit access, or anything remotely similar? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:03, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * When I say technical, I mean using the different interfaces of the MediaWiki software, ranging from simple blocking to complex global account management and everything in between. I'm good at it. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 02:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The struck claims above are no longer valid. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 00:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

"If MT7 can request stewardship at such an early stage, then so can I.". Anyone can make a request to become Steward, it doesn't mean they necessarily should. I could make a request if I wanted to. I just wouldn't recommend throwing a hat in on the basis of a "me too" proposition of one that didn't even pass. LulzKiller (talk) 17:15, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Support
I do not intend to have any bias here, but I strongly think that my sister is totally up for the job. Amanda (talk) 12:36, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I remember you asking why I don't like sharing accounts - here's why. One account have only one vote, and I do not think nominee themselves is eligible for vote. &mdash; revi  06:27, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Abstain
I think Amanda have a fluent english to respon community. But I can be fact she not to hat collecting. MT7 (talk) 05:03, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Oppose
for two reasons. Personally I think you sound extremely pessimistic in this request for rights and I don't think that's what somebody in a community-support / community-lead role should be like. Additionally, you shouldn't be requesting any rights "merely as a statement" as that really sounds like hat collecting. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:05, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

In the statement she says, "This will definitely not succeed, but I'm doing this merely as a statement." If she doesn't intend to be a steward, there's no reason to approve. Rights are given to people who want them, not people making statements by requesting rights. Labster (talk) 21:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I never said that I didn't want the rights. In fact, I really do want the rights more now with the recent spambot attacks on my wiki. However, that statement meant that the chances of me actually getting them are next to zero unless people are out of their minds. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 22:28, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Like me and Labster have both said this is our reasoning. You're really not helping your case now as based on what you just said it sounds like people would have to be out of their minds to support you. Why would we want that? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 22:43, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I am requesting stewardship because I want the rights. However, my initial assumption (and I could be wrong on that one) was that practically no one would support me. That said, the feeling of having no support was not and is not enough to prevent me from voicing for what I want. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 22:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * From merely: (focus) Without any other reason etc.; only, just, and nothing more. You just said your only purpose for filing this request was to make a statement.  This precludes you actually wanting to use the rights, or doing it for the good of Miraheze, or any other reason. Labster (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That was my initial thought process because I doubted that anyone would support me besides my sister. However, given the recent spambot attack on my wiki, and given my high level of knowledge with advanced MediaWiki interfaces now, I do have a valid reason for requesting the rights and would be happy to help out the Miraheze community, as long as there is no server-related work involved (which NDKilla confirmed above that there was not). --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 00:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Sharing account with somebody else means unauthorized personnel ('Amanda' in this case) can access the toolset without community scrutiny. Also, we can't distinguish 'who did the action' based on just logs. &mdash; revi  06:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

DeltaQuad's Request for Stewardship
User: DeltaQuad ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I am requesting steward because I would like to help out with the Miraheze community. I have a lot of experience working with the different interfaces of the MediaWiki software, from ultra-basic editing to common sysop tasks like blocking, protecting to advanced and highly-technical global account management. Because I have this high level of experience, I think that being a steward could really benifit the community globally as well as the chances of my wiki developing into a local community. If people come across my wiki and see that the founder is also a global steward, I'm hoping that they will think "Oh, this person must be really knowledgeable. This is probably a good website". Of course, that may or may not happen, but I'm hoping that it will. Overlooking my personal benefits, I think that my experience could really be put to use, especially because there are some SN topics that have remained unanswered for days and some Phabricator tasks that have remained commentless for weeks. I hope that you all feel the same way, and that I will be given a chance to help out Miraheze. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 20:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
This is a re-do of the previous request above. Please do not consider the previous request when commenting/voting on this one, as it is invalid and has nothing whatsoever to do with this one. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 20:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Oppose
This user thinks that closing a request after meeting some opposition, then opening another request for the exact same thing immediately, is an appropriate form of interacting with a community. This user also thinks that it's okay to direct people to disregard all past opposition in order to get what they want. We need global stewards to demonstrate maturity, not immaturity. Labster (talk) 21:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I closed the first request and have asked people to leave it alone because much of the opposition were based on claims that are now false. Do you honestly think that it is fair to judge a request based on untrue claims? --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 22:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Based upon Labster's point on a weird closing and re-opening. Also per Revi on the fact that two people share one account, this would make me opposed regardless of who it is, this could mean judgements could vary wildly depending on which of you was online at that moment on a particular wiki. LulzKiller (talk) 22:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If my sister's original account hadn't been globally locked for no good reason, we wouldn't even be here. However, it was, and they refused to unlock it, so here we are. Blame the stewards, not me. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 00:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

for the following reasons: I would be uncomfortable granting the applicant additional rights, especially rights that affect either of the wikis where I am an admin. --Robkelk (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The applicant's request that we "Please do not consider the previous request when commenting/voting on this one" shows questionable judgment and a fundamental misunderstanding of the application process. People who do not know the applicant at all (including myself) will naturally research the applicant, and that includes previous submissions. Also, the applicant has stated that comments made in the previous application are false, but has not actually refuted the statements.
 * The applicant's request does not show where she is currently using rights above those granted by Confirmed/Autoconfirmed; I have no easy way short of a Google search throughout all of Miraheze to learn whether the applicant can be trusted to refrain from abusing enhanced rights.
 * While sharing a user account between two or more people is not discussed in the Terms of Use, it is something that in my opinion should not be done by somebody who wants rights and responsibilities above and beyond those granted by Confirmed/Autoconfirmed. The applicant shows what I consider to be poor judgment in requesting elevated rights for a shared account.
 * The page history of Requests for Comment/Stewards shows that the applicant removed another person's comments without giving a reason why in the edit history. While the topic is marked as being closed, in my opinion a reverter should mention that in the reason for reverting edits after the topic closure, rather than forcing people to look through the page. The applicant did not do that.
 * The applicant allowed someone whose account has been globally locked to use the applicant's account, thus bypassing a security mechanism that is in place to protect Miraheze as a whole. This is not an action that a responsible steward would allow.
 * For the reason, neither DQ nor Amanda 'let a globally locked user' use their account to 'bypass a security mechanism' the only reason the accounts are locked is because it is the opinion of the Steward body that they are all one person (or close enough with CheckUser data and behavioral evidence) to possibly be considered abuse of multiple accounts. Thus 'they' were told to use one account, and as awkward as it is, it makes things simpler I guess. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 01:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah. That is also something that a responsible Steward would not do. Either way, the objection is still a valid one. --Robkelk (talk) 12:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by that? Do you mean that a responsible steward would not allow her sister to continue editing just because they were told to share one account? --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 12:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

The applicant's handling of herself and the discussion in both applications do not leave me feeling comfortable with the prospect of steward privileges in her hands. --Looney Toons (talk) 01:25, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Rsterbal (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sharing account with somebody else means unauthorized personnel ('Amanda' in this case) can access the toolset without community scrutiny. Also, we can't distinguish 'who did the action' based on just logs. (Pasting again.) &mdash; revi  06:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The others have covered my objections, but I'd like to add something as well. I believe absolutely in transparency, which means taking absolute responsibility for one's actions and showing the community you are worthy of trust in all cases, especially by accepting blame when fault lies with you for poor judgement. By that standard, I believe this party is a poor choice for steward because they allowed unauthorized access to tools meant to have global power over the community and have not been as forthright as I would be comfortable in accepting responsibility for such a breech of trust, and their hopes such actions as noted in the previous request for rights would not be considered as marks against them in this request for power only tells me I have less reason to believe their integrity is firm enough to consider them for this position. GethN7 (talk) 11:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Let me try for a better summary. The applicant made a two requests in 24 hours, withdrawing them both.  The first one was withdrawn in and attempt to cover up their own stupidity.  The applicant instructed others to ignore the applicant's own history on the same page.  The second attempt was withdrawn in the face of universal opposition.  In a final act, the applicant showed supreme childishness and extreme cowardice by summaring the discussion and putting up a template that locks further discussion.  In this the applicant made several patently false statements in an attempt to undermine Miraheze including, "In my opinion, being extremely knowledgeable in all interfaces of MediaWiki should be enough to be granted Stewardship."  The applicant proceeded to compare Miraheze unfavorably with its competitors in an act of disloyalty.  Finally, the applicant requested once again rights that every single officer of Miraheze personnel has told applicant will never be possible, and because of this blamed their own bad behavior on the officers of Miraheze.
 * In short, applicant acted in such a way that if Miraheze was a military instead of a wiki farm, applicant would be court-martialed. --Labster (talk) 20:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

H1's Request for Stewardship

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Boldly closing as this has had no activity in over a month, and has had significant opposition without third party support. -- Void  Whispers 21:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

User: H1 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I want to make miraheze grow. And I want to help to some of the work going on here. I'm friends with Host Provider MT7 and have the same, but different houses.I mastered the mediawiki code like PHP and others, I'm glad I could help here, I want to contribute more. However, if this request fails I want to help by making a wiki. Hopefully this is Done :)

Questions for candidate
What experience do you have as a wiki admin? Where can we go to read already-existing compliments and complaints about your admin style? --Robkelk (talk) 14:23, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Your account has been active on Meta for only two weeks. Why do you think you should be trusted with enhanced rights? --Robkelk (talk) 14:32, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I've created the wiki itself but failed because of expired domain. So I at least have experience of mediawiki and others. H1 (talk) 14:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Although I still personally oppose this request I feel like it was worth pointing out that User:MT7 (above) and User:H1 are not linked by technical CheckUser data. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 04:33, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Support

 * I will be trust. H1 (talk) 10:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Abstain

 * I think you can keep mywiki and not in here. MT7 (talk) 05:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Oppose

 * One, language skills seem to be poor, and given the official logs and other statements from authority on anything regarding your position will have to be made in English, this does not bode well. Second, this request is essentially "MT7 trying again under a different name", and if you didn't get it once, you shouldn't try to get it again by simply changing your name and changing nothing that got you rejected the first time round. In fact, given this, I have strong doubt whether you could even be trusted with a wiki of your own. GethN7 (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Please I'm friends for MT7. I'm not use myfriend account. And I doubt you is sock for DeltaQuad. I think :)H1 (talk) 11:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * He's a known guy from ATT, and is obviously not a sock. ;) &mdash; revi  11:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay.I think it was because he was directly opposed. H1 (talk) 03:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * For thinking GethN7 is a sock for DQ alone. Seriously. I don't even need to get into the other reasons thanks to that. Having such utter ignorance and lack of foresight to even suggest that is an immediate reason to oppose any attempts of hat-collecting.
 * I would also like this to be an opportunity if you will, for a request of CU to prove that MT7 and H1 are in fact sockpuppets. There is now enough evidence to suggest that their actually is. LulzKiller (talk) 11:42, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I requested a CU between those two users a little while ago, but it was declined. --- DeltaQuad  (talk contribs email), 15:01, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Was this before they both applied for stewardship, the chance and rationale for doing a CU has now tremendously improved. It is now crucial in the knowledge that this would affect an appointment of a steward. LulzKiller (talk) 15:20, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Someone voting against your RfS is not a justified reason to claim someone is abusing multilple accounts. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 04:33, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi!! he is myfriends. He has have one account H1. And he not sock for me but have same host internet provider(XL).MT7 (talk) 05:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I still find it such a damn coincidence you're both replying to the same thing at almost the same time, but anyways.. I find it funny how you also claim to know him IRL and use the same internet provider, when that couldn't possibly matter. I won't try to make it super obvious but one of you has publicly linked your account to an open proxy, and since the two accounts aren't linked by CU data (see above), the other person can't be using the same open proxy, so why would it matter who your internet providers are? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 05:41, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not know why it could happen to my provider. I use the same LAN card with which XL H1 use. Where XL host in Indonesia. See clearer provider that I use XL AXIATA MT7 (talk) 14:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Accusing GethN7 of being a sock of DeltaQuad (only because GethN7 opposes your RfS) while we suspect you are a sock of MT7 is a bit ironic, and that is not positive for your RfS. Also, almost all of your edits on this wiki are related to this request, and I cannot see many constructive contributions. Southparkfan (talk) 14:47, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Now I do oppose you after looking at your behavior here, are you going to say I'm sock of GethN7? &mdash; revi  17:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry :( H1 (talk) 14:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * According to the applicant's reply to my questions, the applicant has no verifiable experience with wiki administration. I have no way to know whether the applicant would or would not bring personal biases to the role of Steward. --Robkelk (talk) 15:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi. If you know I have experience with administrative wiki. At that time, only the domain expired and I decided to break the server because I was not able to extend my domain consumption costs.H1 (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * He said verifiable H1. As in you being able to have the evidence, you could be telling the truth for all we know but of course since we don't have the evidence due to the claim that the server broke we can't verify it. LulzKiller (talk) 22:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC)


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TriX's Request for Stewardship
User: TriX ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I will help out miraheze for give up. My friend has know about me. Lately I'm sorry my account has been hacked by other user but I change to very strongest password so don't worry. I want help out about policy miraheze and granting right for other user in any wiki (per request and per policy). I active for proposal if you know :). I also know about miraheze such as instal extensions. Thanks very much for read my requests. Get well Soon to the next miraheze.

Questions for candidate
What experience do you have as a wiki admin? Where can we go to read already-existing compliments and complaints about your admin style? --Robkelk (talk) 01:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * installing extensions isn't in stewards scope of responsibilities and thus is just extra information that shouldn't be part of this request. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 13:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Not directly related to this request, but in the edit history there are two edits made by an IP, yet there is no IP comment. I assume that it was one of the registered users forgetting to log in. If this is the case, I suggest that the IP be removed from the edit history for privacy reasons. I don't think I have the appropriate permissions to do it here. Trevor (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Oppose

 * per the whole issue around your account being compromised and the cross-wiki abuse originating from users of your wiki that share your IP. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 13:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * . Asking yet again isn't going to change things.  Your language skills are subpar, even in the small samples we've seen, suggesting your contributions will also be subpar.  Finally, between sharing your account and the alleged hacking thereof, for Miraheze's own safety you should not have steward access, since we have no idea with whom anyone who has accessed your account may have shared your login info. -- Looney Toons, 17:21, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Again? I do not believe TriX has previously made a request for stewardship. -- Void  Whispers 22:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * per security issues mentioned earlier. LulzKiller (talk) 17:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Merely due to the language/grammar issues, this opinion may change as I look more into the other factors. Trevor (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC) User is banned for being a sockpuppet --Reception123
 * Disappearing for over two months amidst having issues with account security, and then returning to make a request for stewardship does not instil confidence. Also, there was that issue with cross-wiki abuse that seems to connect with you account. -- Void  Whispers 22:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I think you new on miraheze. Hi  Mkay I very sorry for later I don't secure myaccount I'm sorry. But I already to secure mypassword and I also presentations miraheze on myvillage and some there has know miraheze was big and need to serve with me. He want me to become steward. But I hear comment in above(a half Oppose). And assume this will not done, maybe mybest friend NDKilla you can close this requests. Thanks :-) TriX (talk) 04:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Void has been here since June, which is longer than you. LulzKiller (talk) 17:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I asked a question four days ago and have not yet seen an answer. If the requester is not willing or able to reply in that amount of time, then I have to take that as a sign that the requester is not willing to put in the time necessary to be a steward. --Robkelk (talk) 18:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Void's Request for Stewardship

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Successful request. Having met 18 supports with two opposes it exceeds the 80% boundary with 20 unique comments. John (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

User: Void ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Void has, in my opinion, gone above and beyond showing his dedication to this project. He is an active wiki creator, member of Miraheze's global Counter Vandalism Team and, for what it's worth, one of three Consuls on Miraheze's TestWiki and an active GitHub contributor.

I believe being a wiki creator shows that Void has already been trusted with some technical (and in a way, global) permissions since he has had the ability to close and reopen wikis, and create new wikis (databases). The fact that Void has handled the third most wiki requests (358 as of the creation of this RfS) out of all wiki creators, and the second most requests out of current wiki creators, really shows his dedication to this project.

Additionally, Void is probably the leading member of the recently created Counter Vandalism Team, which gives them access to more global tools. Currently Void has already helped clean up spam created by multiple cross-wiki spambots and vandals which were later locked/globally blocked by Stewards. Although Void proposed changes to the CVT permissions I personally think this RfS and that proposal should both pass as they aren't mutually exclusive. Void could do a better job helping with cross-wiki abuse with access to more tools, but I think they also support the communities he's assisting behind the scenes and can help much more as a Steward.

Request made by third party (User:NDKilla). Please give the nominated user time to accept the nomination and fill in the "Additional comments given by user (if any)" section below before commenting.

Additional comments given by user (if any)
It would be a good idea to say that I accept this nomination. I will be available later today to answer the question(s) below. Cheers -- Void  Whispers 16:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * Although I gave my personal beliefs above, how do you feel you could benefit Miraheze users everywhere by becoming a Steward? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 01:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * First and foremost is in activity. I am available for a minimum of two to three hours daily, and I already spend that time lurking in public communication channels waiting for someone who needs help. Second is in scope of access. Currently I can help with technical requests (wiki config) and non-controversial blocking/cleanup as it appears in the #miraheze-feed channel. If this request is successful, I will be able to handle community aspects as well. Some examples that I've seen include situations where a bureaucrat has systematically blocked the other bureaucrats to take over a wiki, making public wikis private (and vice-versa), assigning new rights, and handling CU/OS requests. This will also make things easier on the system administrators, as currently all such requests go through them. If I had access to handle these requests, all that would absolutely have to go through them is wiki config changes though phab or git. -- Void  Whispers 21:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the point with crat wiki takeovers, there is a Phabricator ticket open to review the StaffPowers extension which prevents other admins and crats from blocking the founder(s) of the wiki. ShoutWiki uses it globally to prevent their sysadmins from being blocked, and it seems to work well. -- Amanda   (talk)  21:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Just restating what was said in chat earlier, but there are more ways a rouge bureaucrat could disrupt a project than just blocking other bureaucrats. On top of that, the other bureaucrats would no longer be able to deal with a situation, provided that they could have otherwise managed to block quickly. Not to mention, there are few wikis which have a singular founder in an 'elevated' group. Most have only bureaucrats. All in all, that extension really doesn't stop abusive bureaucrats as a threat. -- Void  Whispers 01:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

To Void in particular, but also to the rest of the CVT and the Stewards: This isn't a Gish Gallop, but only because it's in writing, where you can answer one question at a time.
 * 1) How do you respond to any awkward or inconvenient questions there may or or may not be about your style?
 * 2) How do you react to those who discuss, debate, or critique your decisions, including when they ignore rank and explicit instructions to move the discussion, debate or critique to another venue?
 * 3) What happens when someone says something that comes off as questioning your authority or the authority of someone or something you support?
 * 4) What do ex-members of the community say about you?
 * 5) How do you treat ex-members of the community?
 * 6) How do you respond to someone saying that you should add information to, or remove information from, any credentials you may have, at this time or in the future, on your userpage?
 * 7) Do you now, or will you ever, have any personal information on your userpage, such as your real name, or your accomplishments in the physical world, such as an academic degree?
 * 8) How do you respond to difficult, dysfunctional, or odd situations?
 * 9) How do you respond to unclear communication and to propaganda techniques?
 * 10) Do you use information about aspects of workplaces to understand people and situations on the Internet?
 * 11) What is your relationship with barnstars awarded for extensive, painstaking or tireless contribution?
 * 12) Do you have any sort of policing mission, no matter how metaphorically this term may apply, and if so, in what way?
 * 13) What, if anything, is your relationship with the arts and humanities, and with that which is supported by qualitative methods?
 * 14) Does your team have a higher turnover rate than rival or competing teams?
 * 15) The last time you switched to a wiki, how many of your peers kept in touch with you?
 * 16) In disputes in which you were able to win, but not easily, did you always win, or have you ever folded um'?
 * 17) Are you now, or have you ever been, banned, however temporarily, from editing any wiki where you now have, or ever had, the ability to ban even one person?
 * 18) What have you ever stopped or imposed, or now stop or impose because a vote of the community has not yet been taken on it?
 * 19) How do you treat disputes between editors with only IP addresses for identifiers, and those with accounts, and disputes between admins and non-admin account holders?
 * 20) How do you treat disputes between editors with different degrees of hard work and establishment than each other, especially when one party loses interest for approximately 72 hours during a long, complex content dispute?
 * 21) What happens when someone claims that you're using propaganda techniques?


 * Saline (talk) 09:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

This is one thing I found on the CVT log in my research into Void's contributions:

 deleted User:134.249.51.166 on grottocenterwiki; spam

I tried looking on grottocenter.miraheze.org, and I can't find any evidence that 134.249.51.166 ever existed. I'm not really proficient in using the wiki interface, nor all of the technical details in being part of a CVT. Can someone please show me where this evidence is? Saline (talk) 10:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

I also found this. Saline (talk) 10:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * For reference, https://grottocenter.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&action=view&page=User%3A46.118.114.60&type=delete and https://grottocenter.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&action=view&page=User%3A134.249.51.166&type=delete show the log of the page deletions. I mean to answer the rest of the questions when I have more time. -- Void  Whispers 15:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Answering the above questions in order.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "style". If you are referring to questions about what I do and how I do it, then I have never found those questions uncomfortable, and do my best to answer them fully.
 * I welcome questions about decisions that I have made, especially when I may provide minimal context or reasoning behind my decision. I also don't really suppose that it makes much of a difference where this discussion takes place, as long as all parties behave properly. Users who request further information, or are put in a position where the have to make choices based off incomplete information should be provided the information they require, provided that global and local policies regarding the information are followed.
 * I do my best to explain to them why that which they question is in a position of authority. As long as any questioning and critiquing is done in a civil manner, the response will also be civil and will aim to respond to the question to the best I can.
 * I don't really have any contact with ex-community members, however, I am a system administrator on the wiki of a user who left the project.
 * With the respect that they deserve from my interactions with them.
 * If the addition/removal of such credentials is required legally or by policy, then I will do so, otherwise it all depends on how strong the argument is made that I should add/remove something.
 * I try to keep any personally identifying information to a minimum.
 * In a thought out methodological manner as rooted in policy and common sense as can be applied to the situation. An external comment is always welcome in confusing situations.
 * See above. I always attempt to resolve unclear communication before making a decision on that information whenever possible.
 * I use all knowledge available to me when making decisions. Whether or not I consciously use information from a particular source is unknown.
 * Hard work and dedication should always be recognised when recognition is deserved and welcomed.
 * Does the deletion of spam and vandalism count?
 * I'm not sure I understand the question or how it may be answered.
 * I do not think I am the best person to answer this question.
 * I am still active in all wiki communities in which I have taken part in. (Or at least I believe I am.)
 * I can't really think of a situation where this would apply.
 * In terms of blocks, I can block users on any wiki on this project, however, I may only do so in cases of clear spam/vandalism. I am currently subject to multiple blocks, although none on any wiki I mean to contribute to, and none mean anything.
 * I don't believe I ever have in relation to miraheze. On en.wikipedia I have reverted to maintain a status-quo, but it would probably take longer to find it than it has taken me to answer these questions from when I first saw them.
 * It's hard to write a single generalizing statement to answer this question. It all depends on the interaction of these users as viewed by global and local policy. Another factor is respect. Is one party treating the other in a civil fashion? The other thing to consider is if I should even be mediating the dispute. A personal policy is that as a global user, I should be handling local disputes as little as possible, and only in situations where local administration is already involved, or completely unavailable for comment. Either way, should a dispute that I have to resolve come my way, the resolution will depend entirely on the behaviour and strength of the arguments of those involved.
 * This situation should be handled as stated above, and time will be given for all users to state their position fully. That is, of course, provided that there is not a pressing situation that needs to be resolved by immediate action.
 * I will do my best to explain the situation as clearly and fully as possible. It should be easily possible to resolve such a situation with civil discussion.
 * -- Void  Whispers 22:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for these answers :) General thought: if you have open questions for candidates, limit them to a single short question.  Otherwise the questions section can be easily become a hazing ritual & purity test, dominated by people w/ agendas and long lists of grievances, and many good candidates don't stand in the first place.  Sj (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Support

 * as nominator. In addition to what I wrote above, I realize that being a GH contributor and wiki creator are more technical roles not really related to the Steward responsibilities, but I mentioned them because I think they just demonstrate commitment to this project, which should be important. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 01:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I too support Void's candidacy. They have proven to be reponsible with the power they have at present and would be trustworthy with the level they would have as a steward. GethN7 (talk) 01:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * : Don't see any reason why not to allow, tbh was surprised he wasn't already one. LulzKiller (talk) 01:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Although I know the user only a few months, I gave myself the time to review his global activity and is quite remarkable, I see that he has done a good job here and surely steward will continue to do and better. Good luck! —Alvaro Molina (<font color="#137500">✉  - <font color="#137500">✔ ) 02:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * User is familiar with all Miraheze policies and is already very active as CVT so having steward and the extra rights would help. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#AF91525"> contribs  ) 04:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The opposing reason is not convincing for me, and I trust him/her enough. &mdash; revi</tt>  12:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I've been here since summer of last year and Void among other staff members has been an exceptional worker. He is constantly working on wikis and answering questions. He also helps on Phabricator and ending vandalism across the wiki. I think Stewardship for Void would be a great achievement and a very well deserved one! CnocBride (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Having been reminded that I may place my own name here, I shall. Per my answer to NDKilla's question above and as nominee. -- Void  Whispers 21:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It's time to add another steward, and Void is a great candidate. 👍 --Labster (talk) 07:07, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. No hat collecting, no blocks on other wikis that make me distrust you, and a valid answer to the questions. Southparkfan (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Void has already demonstrated the ability and willingness to put in the time, and isn't a polarizing influence on discussions. --Robkelk (talk) 23:31, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Void as steward will be beneficial for this wiki. --SelfCloak (talk) 03:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It is fairly obvious Void has done a great deal to keep Meta, including my own wiki, from unsavoury material and the people/bots that plague our pages with pointless rubbish. This user has knowledge of the Mediawiki software and has clearly shown capability in dealing with wiki requests, general user requests and simply spending time on the project. I believe Void to be a worthy candidate for stewardship. Borderman   talk 21:53, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , solid work and interest. Sj (talk) 18:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * , per all above. --Brynda1231 (talk) 12:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * yes please Samuel (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * - As I've seen his contribution on managing Wiki, I support him to be a Steward. Also, he answers the question properly. Since Miraheze needs volunteers' help, I believe that he will help a lot. --Utolee90 (talk) 22:12, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * John (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Oppose

 * Off-miraheze actions should not be taken into account in my opinion. If this harassment does take place on the site then it should be handled accordingly. CnocBride (talk) 19:04, 1 May 2017 (UTC) (struck comment that was directly related to a previous comment of mine that has now been removed)


 * for now.


 * Opening or attention getter - To everyone here:
 * State your concern - My growing concern is that the adequacy of this decision-making process for all three measures crucially depends on having more time to discuss the three measures.
 * State the problem as you see it - "[measure one] A proposal for a Code of Conduct has been made. [measure two] There is also currently an open Request for Stewardship and [measure three] proposal for changes to the Counter Vandalism Team's global permissions." Each of these three measures are quite something to research and discuss, and measure two suggests that these three measures and other measures could be overworking the community, especially the Stewards, which apparently could be attempting to handle the increased workload by making sure that there are more Stewards.
 * State a solution - My opinion is that the promotion and the changes to the Counter Vandalism Team's global permissions must be delayed until the entire community has enough time to discuss all three measures fully. My opinion is also that such discussions about measures two and three can only begin to happen after measure one has been discussed and decided.
 * Obtain agreement (or buy-in) - How does that sound to the community? Saline (talk) 11:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that I would like to see Void become a Meta Administrator before supporting a stewardship request. This user was granted CVT rights off the cuff in response to spam/vandalism and has never actually successfully requested any advanced userrights. Therefore, I cannot support this request at this time. -- Amanda   (talk)  12:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What? First of all, the CVT thing was only proposed because void asked me how to go about getting something implemented. I said it should be an RfC. Secondly, the user didn't request Steward access. I nominated them based on their behavior, which several people above noted. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( Talk • Contribs ) 16:17, 3 May 2017 (UTC) (struck comment that was directly related to a previous comment of mine that has now been removed)


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 * I know it won't go anywhere, but I have to say that I am highly against this decision and do not support or approve of the the promotion of the user. -- Amanda   (talk)  23:20, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Your oppose above in the discussion shows that. John (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

John's Request for Stewardship
User: John ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hi, I'm John! For those unfamiliar with me I am: I bring a lot of experience to the table here which includes (but is not limited to):
 * One of the two founders/creators of Miraheze
 * Previous and first steward
 * Previous (and now current) sysop and bureaucrat on Meta and Sysadmin
 * A strong advocate of the community model of Miraheze, spear heading several RfC and community establishments of policies and requests (inc. the Steward policy)
 * Advanced knowledge of networking and IPs/UAs - ability to thoroughly investigate and utilise CheckUser data in protecting the communities
 * Different timezone to existing active stewards
 * Experience with the tools in a Miraheze setting
 * Reactive response to situations requiring the use of steward and sensitive tools

I feel like my experience speaks for itself and I'm happy to answer any questions or concerns people wish to raise with me. John (talk) 00:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
While not relevant to this request, since returning a month ago to full duties I have made leaps and bounds on large term projects with benefit to the community including:
 * Special:WikiDiscover
 * Special:ManageWiki - extension management
 * Categorisation of wikis

Support

 * 1) MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 00:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) John really knows alot and being the founder he know more about miraheze then all of us :) Paladox (talk) 00:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) CoolieCoolster (talk) 00:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 4)   Cy  <sup style="font-size:80%;">connect </tt> 04:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 5) John has been a steward before, and clearly has more than enough of the knowledge to be one again. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 6) <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  12:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 7) --Looney Toons (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 8)  Okay good! Cmg (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 9) GethN7 (talk) 14:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 10) Videojeux4 (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 11)  John's experience is very valuable for this job. Southparkfan (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 12)  on the basis of the evidence provided. Kiko4564 (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 13)  KidProdigy (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 14)  Wiki1776 (talk) 19:46, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 15) Should John have to even request this???  Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 20:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 16)  Ww9980 (talk) 21:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 17)  Is this really necessary to be done. DutchAussie (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 18)  Can't imagine what you'll be doing while I'm around a more helpful (re)addition to the team! --  Void  Whispers 01:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 19)  —<b style="color: #1406D0;">AlvaroMolina</b> (<b style="color: #137500;">✉</b> -  ✔ ) 03:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course.  03:24 16-May-2018
 * 1) Rob Kam (talk) 09:57, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Chriskk01b (talk) 10:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) John co-founded this site, so I'm sure he knows more about it than anyone. And the other stewards trust him. --YoshiAsk (talk) 13:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm super happy to read that John wants to be engaged with Miraheze in an official way. RobertSter (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC) --Robert Sterbal 412-977-3526 call/text
 * 5) of course --Labster (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 6) - dgrain - 15.57 (BST)
 * 7) I don't even need an explanation. An absolute credit to the community! &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  19:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) Not sure right now... -Brynda1231 (talk) 16:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

GOTILON's Request for Stewardship
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 * John (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

User: GOTILON ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hello, I have come to petition Miraheze users for the Steward position, although my time at Miraheze has been short, I have demonstrated with my current position as Wiki Creator, that I have been responsible for the responsibilities that come with this position, such as Steward would fulfill functions of administrator in Meta, as well as any other task assigned to me, in addition to being a native speaker of Spanish, I will be able to give support to the Spanish-speaking Miraheze community, expand Meta's documentation, and give my support to translations of the extensions if necessary

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I look forward to your comments and questions

Questions for candidate

 * 1) What do you have problem with your current position as a wiki creators for a week? Cheers :-) Cmg (talk) 15:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) Answer: As a wiki creator for a week, I have not had a problem, I have really limited myself to my functions that are creating wikis, and as autopatrolled, I have seen that all editions in the wiki do not violate the rules in Meta, as well as undo the odd edition that violates something <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  15:11, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Abstain
Tbh, I would like to see more activity around fighting spam and vandalism first. Ideally it would be nice if you had CVT first. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe you're right, I think I jumped a little, could I close this discussion or wait for the routine consensus time? <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  15:19, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Closed per withdrawn. John (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

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Fair0002's Request for Stewardship
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User: Fair0002 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I want to be a Steward to improve Miraheze, and revert any vandalism. Also, I’ll be willing to be ready to act with my new privileges if I get them. I’m gonna do the best as I can for Miraheze. I’ve made tens of contributions on Wikipedia, although I was blocked there, and I am a bureaucrat of the Crazybloxian Empire wiki.

Questions for candidate

 * @Fair0002, I would like to ask, do you have comments that may change the opinions of the people opposing this request? It would be a lie to say that your request has not been meant with warm hearts but it would be nice if you could give further insight into why you want to be a steward, what you believe the goal of stewards are, how are you going to contribute to Miraheze in a positive way. A reply to peoples views below would also be welcomed, by me if no one else. &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  22:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Not experienced enough, and there have been concerns with their blocks on their home wiki. There are also issues with qualifications.   Malcolm Talk  03:36, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) Contributions on wikipedia doesn't mean anything here on Miraheze. You should first contribute globally on Miraheze, perhaps especially on meta. If you really want to combat vandals, you should become a CVT member first, rather than being a steward. And I also know that your true motivation for running for Steward is that you want to have CU permissions on your wiki (which is not a global reason), following your actions.-- 04:46, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) No indication of active global contributions, or many interactions with the global Miraheze community either for that matter. The account was created two days ago. I'd propose a SNOW close. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 05:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 4) New account that asks for high-level permissions. Also mentions ban on wikipedia. Yea seems pretty legit.Chriskk01b (talk) 08:26, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 5) per above. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 17:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 6) As the others have said, stewards require commitment and strong activity. At this time I do not believe the candidate has these traits along with some other core principles of stewardship. However, I would encourage them to reapply in the future if they believe the situation has changed. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  23:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 7) Snowball. —<b style="color: #1406D0;">AlvaroMolina</b> (<b style="color: #137500;">✉</b> -  ✔ ) 01:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 8) It is needless to say.--プログラマリオ (Pen name:Mario Yonezawa) 11:32, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 9) Not experienced enough, I checked central auth and the user account is too new (only 38 days old) and needs more experimence,  Psl631  (talk to me) 17:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 10) Awarding stewardship to someone who ostensibly wishes to contribute to Miraheze with such power and responsibility without having first spent enough time or experience to proof of their worthiness for it would set a dangerous, concerning precedent. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg centrist16 | Talk | P mail.svg | Discord color D.svg  &#32; 19:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


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CnocBride's Request for Stewardship
User: CnocBride ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hello, my name is CnocBride and I come to you today, the community Miraheze, to request promotion to the position of steward. When I joined this community 2 years ago, I didn't think that I would still be here, in one way or another. Miraheze, despite my slight periods of inactivity, has always had a welcoming feel to me and it always felt like a home on the internet. My main reasoning for staying on Miraheze is no longer my love for writing fiction and building constructed worlds, its the love of the community that has been built around collaboration.

My request for stewardship sprouts from my will to help the community further. I always want to assist the community further, by doing whatever I can. Be that processing feature requests (which are now largely redundant), processing wiki creation requests, interwiki edit requests, Code of Conduct arbitration and helping the community wherever needed (the noticeboards etc.). I view stewards as the "community managers" of Miraheze. They are part of the twin pillars that ensure Miraheze's survival - the technical managers and the community manager's.

I have always been a person focused around community. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be doing the work I do today for Miraheze. I am a wiki creator and I was one of the first people to answer Receptions request for more wiki creators. I enjoy wiki creating very much and it is a pleasure to wake up every morning and do wiki requests (weird pleasure, right?). I am also a member of the Code of Conduct Commission, a position I feel has been one of my finest positions to date. Thankfully, the Code of Conduct Commission do not interfere overly much because of the simple fact that drama is not a widespread epidemic on Miraheze, but still, the Code of Conduct Commission provides me with the necessary skills to deal with members of the community. My ability to use Special:ManageWiki, create wikis, process Phabricator feature requests (pre ManageWiki) and use Github, show that I am fairly competent in basic technical tasks, which I believe is another attribute needed for stewards. I am also a member of the CVT, and while I am still learning, I feel CVT already gives me an insight into certain aspects of how Miraheze deals with vandals. I also recently became an interwiki admin, while I haven't had the opportunity to "show my ability off" if you will, I can competently use the interwiki interface.

While that sums up some of my internal interactions (I am willing to expand on anything said in this request, please just leave a comment and ping me), I would now like to discuss community management that is necessarily not related to Miraheze. One of my passions is video games and one of the video games I have always enjoyed since I was only a child, and still love now into my teenage years, is Minecraft. For around the past 5 months, I have been a staff member on a Minecraft server that reaches over 200 people at peak time. Why do I mention this? Because I am the head of a group of staff members on the server that are focused on handling disputes and rulebreaks within the community, a major role of stewards on Miraheze.

The server I work on is known as MassiveCraft and has been my go-to Minecraft server for many years. As I said above, I am the lead of a group (department as they are called) that is in charge of the in-game moderation aspect and dealing with rulebreaks. I am often the first responder along with my colleagues to certain incidents on the server. The server is not your typical view of Minecraft. A bunch of 10 year old kids who roam free, it's a professional organization with the aim of providing quality gameplay to its members. The server enforces a strict 16 year old minimum age for staff policy and they run an extremely professional system of staff management. I am the head of my own department, which is essentially its own division, along with one other person. I am also a member of the 'Direction Team', essentially the team that are in charge of deciding the overall, you guessed it direction, of the server and the staff policy. I believe this stands to me well as a steward and a community arbitrator, I know how to deal with people, I know how to deal with tough situations, I know how to use MediaWiki and am always willing to learn more and more.

This would not be a proper request, without facing my disadvantages face on. My first and main disadvantage is my spell of inactivity that lasted from January until May of this year. Essentially, I was so caught up with school, I could not spare the time to work on Miraheze. I have since figured out a better time management schedule, with both my staff work and school work, I believe I can combine the three of these together to ensure that I can remain an active member of all the community's I take part in. If I do for some reason go inactive, I assure you the community will be informed accordingly.

I apologize if this stewardship request is not required and I will fully accept opposition to this proposal (I do expect the courtesy of giving one a reason for opposition).

Thank you very much for taking your time to read this, any questions/concerns, I am always willing to answer. &#32;  CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  19:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
This will be up a week tomorrow. I don't mean to intrude on anybody, but I would like to request comments on this request, abstensions, oppositions or supports. Going to ping some of the people I know on the wiki.



Just tagging these individuals if they would like to give comment. Thanks! &#32;  CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  17:35, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I always recuse unless I have objections. So take that how you want :) John (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * While I do think the user can be trusted, I'm not sure whether we really need more Stewards. Thus, I'd like to wait for other Stewards' comments before casting a vote.-- 07:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I fully understood this before my I submitted my request, I just had the mentality of "Why not?" and decided to submit it. However, if stewards feel there is no need for more stewards, I have no opposition to me withdrawing from this request. &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  10:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  I think CnocBride will be a very good steward. This user is always giving helpful advice and they have been here for long enough. I am supporting. Pkbwcgs (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  While your work is very much appreciated, I do feel like steward responsibility’s include being active. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 21:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 2)  Although I know you are studious and attentive person, and have known you since Conworlds was on Wikia, I feel at this time, Miraheze does not need any additional stewards. For now, I believe you should continue to focus on your responsibilities as part of CVT and as a wikicreator. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg centrist16 | P mail.svg | Discord color D.svg  &#32; 18:30, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 3)  My opinion is similar to the comments of my colleagues who abstained. And as I do not have a clear position to oppose or support this request, I preferred to abstain. However, I encourage CnocBride to continue to collaborate as actively as possible. Wiki1776 (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 4)  He is an excellent user, but I don't think he is still ready to be steward. I encourage you to continue collaborating as usual and perhaps in a few more months you can succeed. —<b style="color: #1406D0;">AlvaroMolina</b> (<b style="color: #137500;">✉</b> -  ✔ ) 00:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 5)  Thank you for inviting me to comment.  I recently supported an elevation to Steward ("Of course" because he is a founder of the wiki farm) and have had courteous dealings with you over a year, but though I have opinions and preferred wordings on a lot of topics, in general I have no opinion on who should run this place, especially if the motive is simply that the guy says he wants to.  You note above how schoolwork crowded out Miraheze this year; no problem, I have other diversions too.  Now, you say you have better procedures in place to ensure that this particular distraction does not occur.  This rebuttal fails, because, What about all the other distractions?  Cripes, you might meet a girl!   18:57 31-Aug-2018

Oppose

 * 1)  While I recognize that this user is one of the more active non-sysadmin members of the community, and is a prolific wiki creator which is always needed, they became a CVT member in May, and since then, have only made around a dozen blocks, only three global blocks (all of which were today), and has not made any global account locks. I would like to see a little more activity/experience with some of these tools before I’d be comfortable supporting the granting of steward. One of the most important responsibilities of a steward is the ability to do global blocks and locks, since only stewards and CVT members have access to these tools, and therefore I prefer to see a level of experience/understanding of these tools in any steward candidate. Amanda Catherine (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) * Not writing a proper comment yet but I just wanted to point out that as a member of the CVT they are already trusted with access to these tools, and being a Steward won't change that. I think you may wish to consider commenting on the new things they would be given access to, and whether or not you trust them with access to that and why. I would also be curious if you would trust them in representing the communities interests, regardless of what technical tools they gain access to. PuppyKun (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) * Thank you for the comment! Yes, my use with CVT tools has been lacking but mainly that's due to me actually getting comfortable with it. The same happened when I was working with feature requests but at the time I had more time for it. I do have less time to look fully into CVT tools but I am slowly learning and I feel like I am getting more confident day by day! Thank you for the concerns, I'll take them on board :) &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  23:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

MacFan4000's Request for Stewardship
User: MacFan4000 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I would like to provide more help to the community. I have been a sysadmin for a few months, an admin here, for less time then that and a CVT member since Januarary. I have been fairly active in theese roles, for instance I have been helping with the recent LTA spam and accounts as CVT. As a sysadmin I having been working to improve the code of ManageWiki, as well as feature requests, and I help out users on IRC, and actively merge Pull Requests. I have experience with things like CheckUser,Oversight,Renameuser. I have used theese rights on my own wiki to help with an internal Miraheze investigation, which I will not be going into detail about. I have almost 2,000 edits globally and I have locked plenty of Spam/LTA accounts in my time as CVT. You can see my CVT actions here, and here. If anybody has questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 01:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * I’m sorry, but “I have used theese rights on my own wiki to help with an internal Miraheze investigation, which I will not be going into detail about.” doesn’t cut it for me. Please give an example of where you have used these tools in a public manner. Preferably, I would also like you to point to a location where you have been granted at least administrator privileges on a wiki that you did not create. Amanda Catherine (talk) 11:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have administrator privlages here as I have mentioned. They have helped to aid me in my CVT duties. I dont have access to these steward tools anywhere else. But at some point everybody has to get access to theese tools for the first time, right? MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:23, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn’t say that you needed to have the steward tools elsewhere. You claimed that you have used CheckUser, Oversight, and RenameUser (which all three are independent tools and are not always part of a steward package) as part of an “internal investigation”. I would like you to point to a wiki (Miraheze or non-Miraheze) where you have used CheckUser, Oversight, and/or RenameUser and can publicly link yourself to your use of said tools. Amanda Catherine (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I haven’t used theese tools any where other than my wiki, and besides it would be hard to link to uses of CheckUser and Oversight when the releated logs aren’t public. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 21:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  Mac, I believe you are a fantastic Miraheze staff member, and I am very grateful for all the work you have done in regards for Miraheze. However, my one concern is your tone of communication. Now, this is very minor, extremely minor that can be remedied very quickly, but in the past I have gotten a sense that you can be rather harsh, especially with people who are new. I don't know if this is just unintentional but I do believe that stewards, most of all, require a softer tone. I don't believe this is a problem strictly restricted to you, but I do feel you are part of a group that do lack interpersonal skills for steward. Now, this is a very minor issue, that I don't see very often. Your technical contributions are excellent and please do not let this abstention take away from your request. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  18:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

 * I’m opposing this request for a couple of reasons. One, the user has a history of being uncivil, rude, and overstepping boundaries when encountering users of a lesser authority who may not agree with them. This can be seen at my last formal ban appeal, where the user made a rather rude-sounding comment on the RFC, and even after I politely pointed out that they were mistaken, they refused to acknowledge their mistake, and instead kept being uncivil and rude, not once more, but twice more. While I have not seen this issue recently, the fact that it has existed in the past still paints a somewhat dark shadow. Secondly, the user has a history of not being accountable and taking responsibility for their actions. This can be seen with the user’s mass locking of multiple accounts as “LTA” (Long-Term Abuse) despite no actual behavioral evidence suggesting that this was the case. There is no global username policy, and therefore creating accounts with really long Royal Family or Trump family names, while unusual, is not an automatic indicator of a vandal. However, when asked to provide further justification on IRC (in fact, asked repeatedly), they did not provide it. In fact, they did not respond at all. This is not a good quality of a steward, who should be able to respond to all requests for accountability and justification of any and all actions within a reasonable time period. Finally, the user’s own answer to my question above indicates that they have not held any of the individual tools that are bundled as part of the steward package on any wiki that they have not created personally. While not a personal requirement of an average candidate for steward, given that this candidate has two negative points against them already, I would want to see that they can be trusted by someone other than themselves to handle high-level and sensitive tools before supporting them becoming a steward. For these three reasons, I oppose this request. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I should also note that the user has engaged in repeated instances of ruthless edit warring against myself, LP, and User:MatthewPW on the Test Wikipedia, dealing with everything from formatting and styling changes to adding MatthewPW’s Referata TestWiki to the list and everything in between. The edits from 5 April 2017 that have been RevDeld are because the edit summaries contained insults. This behavior is, quite frankly, disturbing and should make anyone considering supporting this user think twice. Amanda Catherine (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that somebody cant gain rights after their behavior has improved? Because if so, you are wrong. On Test Wikipedia, I disagreed with those edits, and a few others agreed with me. On each occasion, me or somebody else got local admins involved. (I happen to know one on IRC), I never wanted to have edit wars, but I didn't want a site being advertised that had an account impersonating me. If you didn't know, on that referata testwiki, an account called MacFan4000 exists, but that isn't me. As far as I know, it was created to impersonate me. Also on my wiki, some miraheze users, (namely a steward, and a CVT member), have an account that they use. I don't believe I did anything wrong on that rfc. I believe I am allowed to express my opinion, and that I don't have to provide a rationale. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I also will add this question. If I wasn't trusted would I really have gotten the permissions that I have now? I don't think so. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:59, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * First, you are required to provide a rationale on any community discussion if you want your comments to have weight, since discussions of any kind are not a vote and therefore simply “support” or “oppose” with no rationale will likely be discredited. Second, while you have the right to express your opinion, you do not have the right to do so in a rude or uncivil manner, and, when someone else politely points out that you are mistaken, you should admit your mistake and not keep badgering over it and insisting that you are right. Amanda Catherine (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, regarding the test wiki, if someone is attacking you or otherwise harassing you, the proper course of action IMHO is to notify the authorities (admins, bureaucrats, etc) at the location where the problem is occurring so that they can take care of. Repeatedly removing links to the website simply because of an account impersonating you (which BTW has spawned accusations of censorship) is not the way to go. Amanda Catherine (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not required to provide rationales. Only you are saying that. You do not set the policys. You are mistaken. I am not going to keep responding to you. I have argued enough. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

(reset indent) Well, the comment above just shows that the user is still not willing to admit their mistakes and take accountability for their actions. This and given the fact that they totally evaded my point about their mass locking of accounts only firmly cements my opposition. Amanda Catherine (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I ignored the mass locking accounts because you have been spoken to about that very well. Please also elaborate on your claim about my comment above. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Also I do take responsibility for the things that I do. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You don’t take responsibility for your actions, as evidenced by your doubling-down on your comment about the Referata TestWiki and refusal to address my suggestion. Additionally, you are not willing to admit your mistakes because you are still claiming that you were right to make rude and uncivil comments on the RFC, when you were not. Finally, providing rationales is not a global policy per se, but it is an implied policy on any community-oriented discussion. It’s not my policy, either. Discussions are not a vote and polling is not a substitute for discussion. Amanda Catherine (talk) 15:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I did nothing but post stright up votes. I do take responsibility for my actions. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:49, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Some of the reasons, especially the argument about the lock, are baseless. Opposing due "no apparent reason for a lock" isn't a reason to oppose. Certainly Jalexander-WMF wouldn't create account here on Miraheze, and certainly not members of the Trump administration. Artix Kreiger (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * With the exception of the WMF impersonation account, usernames that contain names of Trump family members or Royal Family members should not be locked on creation since Miraheze has no global username policy. Amanda Catherine (talk) 16:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Still, common sense and decency applies, and not necessarily "no global username policy". Artix Kreiger (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

開拓者's Request for Stewardship
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User: 開拓者 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hi, and I am LegoMaster. I would like to nominate 開拓者 as a steward, as this user is always active and Special:ActiveUsers/sysop shows that he has nearly 170 actions in the last 30 days, which is overwhelmingly more than mine. Also, he is in the CVT group, so he is probably familiar with blocking IP addresses globally and locking global accounts. He currently also has wikicreator, interwikiadmin, sysop, and also autopatrolled rights locally. He will address the questions that you have. Thank you for your understanding.

Additionally, he has a total of 15,109 global edits and 284 attached accounts anywhere on Miraheze wikis. That's a lot.

Further links: 開拓者 (talk - contribs - logs - CA)

LegoMaster (talk Account information: [ block log] – contribs – logs – [ abuse log] – CentralAuth ) 03:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I will only nominate someone else as a steward because that I am technically ineligible to become a steward because of my Wikipedia account being indefinitely blocked. Thank you for your understanding. LegoMaster (talk Account information: [ block log] – contribs – logs – [ abuse log] – CentralAuth ) 03:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised to see myself being nominated here without prior notification. However, I will accept it and will run as a candidate. One of my biggest strength is that I'm a Japanese native living in a different time zone from other volunteers and thus can help Japanese users or/and users who want help when other volunteers are not available. I know that there are two most important tools, apart from global permissions to op/crat a user on any wikis, that a Steward can hold - Oversight and Checkuser. Although I never have had any experience of Oversight, the first of the two, I do have some experiences on Checkuser, the second one, on some of the non-English Illogicopedias. I do know when to use such tools: Oversight is to hide illegal contents, personal attacks, and personal information even from local admins and bureaucrats, while Checkuser is to check IP and user-agent based identity of registered user accounts when there are active vandalisms or suspected sockings reported. I also know that loginwiki should be checked if global abuse is suspected by a certain user (because all registered users' login data is stored there). I am also aware that Checkuser may result in two kinds of false results - false negative (due to some kind of CU evasion. mostly detectable from behavioral evidence or/and use of proxies, though) and false positives (such as access from a same school), and thus am open to deal with appeals when e-mailed to the mailing list. Though some may say that we already have enough Stewards, I would like to point out that not all communities are English speaking. Even some wiki requests are not made in English and should be dealt with non-English users. Such communities, especially when they don't understand English at all, may need a help of those who understand non-English languages. And that what I can and am willing to do.-- 17:55, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Questions for candidate

 * 1) If you were elected Steward, how do you think you could benefit the Miraheze community? Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As already mentioned above, I speak languages that other stewards don't speak and live in a different time zone. This will allow dealing requests from users from non-English communities (sometimes finding themselves difficult to contact stewards in English) more quickly and smoothly (and of course, I can help English speaking communities as well).-- 07:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Do you have any prior experience with wiki communities (as an administrator, bureaucrat, etc.)? Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * the questions were answered above. Fungster ''My talk 22:54, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As shown in the centralauth, I'm a local admin/bureaucrat of several wikis in multiple languages, including but not limited to Usopedia (Japanese, admin/crat), the Chinese Uncyclopedia (Chinese, admin), and meta (English, admin) here on Miraheze. Out of Miraheze, I'm an admin/bureaucrat of the French, Norwegian, and Dutch Illogicopedias (under the name The Pioneer). I also have CU permission on Norwegian and Dutch Illogicopedias, and also had a temporary admin/checkuser permissions to help the local admins on the Portuguese Illogicopedia (where at that time was suffering from massive vandalism).
 * Here on Miraheze, I also have several global permissions such as CVT, interwiki-admin, and wiki manager.-- 07:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Comments by other users
Oversight is a tool for primarily to suppress deletion the private personal data from admins that can have the technical ability to view those deleted materials in any public wikis. As the result, private personal information on public place are sensitive issue, so any users request for oversight deletion the pages or diffs can only via through from the email, not post it on Meta. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 13:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. That's true. Even if not by an e-mail, it should be messaged through a private channel, at least (ex. Discord PM). And if there were someone who didn't know it posted OS requests on SN (or any other public places), such posts should be oversighted as well (especially when the content to be hidden is included directly).-- 07:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  It's not often that I find myself comfortable with supporting a steward candidate, since I am very weary of the vast set of tools that steward access gives and frankly I don't support everything that the stewards have been granted to do. That being said, The Pioneer is probably one of the only candidates that I would feel comfortable granting steward to, as I have never had any negative interactions with the user that I can recall, and I strongly support the concept of having more multilingual diversity on the steward and sysadmin teams. Amanda Catherine (talk) 20:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  He exerts his power not only on Usopedia, but on various wikis. And that is a great power for us Japanese, and Miraheze. -- Schwarz ・ Talk  /  ウソペディア  08:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)  --Fungster My talk 09:41, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 4)  I've no concern, Pioneer contributions activity are look well for me. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 13:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) --<span style="color:orange;background-color:black ; font: bold 0.5cm 'Bart', 'MS PMincho';">辞書城主 08:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 6)  The few times I've encountered The Pioneer have been very positive. I'm sure you'll do great work! --Ondo (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 7)   Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 22:47, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 8)  He has helped me in making my wiki.--BetaPillage (talk) 11:32, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 9) Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 12:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 10) Why not? - PlavorSeol (T | C) 14:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 11) This user has lots of global contributions, appers vary trusted, has a positive attitude from what I can tell, is already CVT, is multilingual, and lives in a vary diffrent time zone then the other stewards. Bonnedav (talk) 00:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 12)  very caring person. REIWA (talk) 09:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 13)  很好啊，有事找他，他都会帮忙. -黑底屍 (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 14)  For all the things said by my companions. Hispano76 (talk) 19:07, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 15)  From what I've seen this user definitely deserves a shot at it.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 18:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 16)  HeartsDo/Videojeux4 (Talk || Global || Wiki Creator) 18:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 17)  Haven't been active but I know this user has been an incredible help to Miraheze! &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  23:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 18) What I know of the work done by 開拓者 is all positive. --Robkelk (talk) 23:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 19) per all. -B1 l T l C l E 19:42, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Well, you are just getting stronger a little bit after all. LIAR! Mohamed Saed 05:40, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


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Angrybirdsfanonmiraheze’s request for Stewardship
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Reasoning for request
I'm Angrybirdsfan, I thought I may help out a bit with stuff, even if theres a vandal, I ban the vandal for indefinite.

--Angrybirdsfan

Questions for candidate

 * 1) What prior experience do you have with wiki maintenance (as an administrator, bureaucrat, etc.)? --Robkelk (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Here's a tip. If you wish to help us fight against vandalism, I think it's better to start from being a CVT. Being a Steward means you also need to deal with other stuffs (including managing permissions of a community without active crats).-- 00:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree, Counter Vandalism Team also have the technical ability to global locking those cross-wiki vandals or spammers account. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 01:24, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  - I'm not trying to sound too harsh, but I feel that you don't really have that much experience yet.  Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 22:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  You had the bad behavior record of abusing multiple accounts and harassing other users in the past ago, and just successfully appealed your unlock request in not long ago, I don't think the community were be place the trust on you. You are free to help out by reporting those cross-wiki vandals or spammers at Stewards' noticeboard, but I don't think you now have the eligible to be one of the steward volunteers staff on here, sorry. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 23:33, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) S/he seems to be skipping the whole steps to gain community trust. I do know about his/her lock in the past, but that doesn't mean s/he never has a chance for good - it's just that s/he should try to regain our trust first, step by step.-- 00:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 4)  Fungster ''My talk 09:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 5)  Poor nomination statement, showing a severe lack of understanding of what the tools are for and how stewardship works. You're also fresh out of a global lock for abusing multiple accounts, so there's no way you should even be considering stewardship at this time. Suggest SNOW closing this request. — k6ka  <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁 ( Talk  ·  Contributions ) 10:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 6)  You'd better be a CVT, since you want to help against vandalism.--BetaPillage (talk) 11:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 7)  I don't even know who this user is... I would also oppose any request for CVT for the same reason. I also request a speedy close per already established clear consensus. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 12:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 8)  per above, and I’ve had negative interactions with this user in the past. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 9)  Per all the reasons stated above. No experience, negative interactions in the past, one-line reasoning, etc. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:37, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 10)  When you self-nominate, that is a sign that you want to do something and with other responses that is currently in this thread I think my decision has been justified. HawkAussie (talk) 02:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


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Boomaster74's Request for Stewardship
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 * No consensus to promote. If you would like to help out more, I'd suggest seeing contributing or consider CVT. -- Void  Whispers 20:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

User: Boomaster74 ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; blocks log &bull; rights log &bull; global rights log )

Reasoning for request
Hi, I'm Boomaster I mostly just hang around some wikis and edit them, I also fix grammar and misspellings on pages that have them. I have some moderating experience, and some Miraheze experience. I'm been in Miraheze for about 4 months and haven't caused a lot of trouble. I want to contribute my part in making Miraheze a better, well moderated, place.

Questions for candidate

 * 1) If you do want to help out, why not join the Counter Vandalism Team instead?  Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 21:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * 1) If you want to moderate I suggest joining the CVT instead. Moderation is the CVT's main responsibly while stewardship has many more responsibilitys such as manageing userrights and using checkuser and overshight.
 * 2) To be fair, not all users are active on meta. Being unknown to people on meta doesn't mean being unknown globally. At least, the user's CA tells me that s/he has been active on multiple wikis, and I might not oppose you if you run as a CVT candidate (I'm not saying I will definitely support you, though; you need a stronger and clearer will to deal with vandals).-- 10:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) No words needed. - PlavorSeol (T | C) 20:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) Given the misunderstanding of reasoning for request statement that what is the purpose to be one of the truth steward volunteer role it is, I couldn't expect this going to be happen. <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) I think you still need some experience. I feel that users asking for stewardship as it is something that can be easily given away giving the responsibility it takes is not a good idea.  Sapphire Williams  (talk page • contributions) 21:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) I have never seen this user before on here, and thus I cannot support a steward candidate this way.  Hypercane  <font color="#8152C6">(  talk <font color="#8152C6">) 21:22, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 5) This user has a name I don’t like and you still need to review the rules. I think. Thanks. Mohamed Saed 05:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 6)  No experience, unknown in the community. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 08:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 7) If your purpose is just to modify edits made by others, being an editor seems to be enough.-- 10:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


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Mohamed Saed's Request for Stewardship
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 * Consensus is that you are not ready. Please see contributing for ways to get started on helping out before you apply for Stewardship. -- Void  Whispers 20:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

User: Mohamed Saed ( contributions &bull; CA &bull; Saed blocks log &bull; Saed rights log &bull; Saed global rights log )

Reasoning for request
I want to give the people I love rights.

Additional comments given by user (if any)
I’m already asking for it.

Oppose

 * 1)  No experience, unknown in the community. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 08:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 2)  Opposing a user because s/he " has a name I don’t like" and stating "I hate everyone except my bot who is available only on All The Tropes" (where the bot is actually blocked due to violating the policy of ATT) prove that s/he is not ready, at least, yet. Stewards should deal with every user in a fair manner.-- 10:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)  Nope, stewardship is not for new user to appoint it. You seen for me also like a sign of hat collecting as well! <b style="color:red">S</b><b style="color:orange">A</b><b style="color:gold"> 1</b><b style="color:green">3</b><b style="color:blue"> B</b><b style="color:indigo">r</b><b style="color:violet">o</b> (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


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