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Backup
Hi,

Is it possible for me to make my own backups of my wiki? And in that case - how?

/Madelene
 * It is possible to have backups, but these must be done by sysadmins (either manually once, or automatically at set times). Please read Backups and make a request on Phabricator. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 14:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

The function "main" does not exist
Recently I asked for an import of files to my wiki which seemed to break several things. I fixed most of the issues, however it says that the function "main" does not exist, which after some research makes me believe that my wiki's MediaWiki.php file got edited during the import, although I'm not sure. If anyone knows how I can fix this, please let me know! CoolieCoolster (talk) 19:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * CoolieCoolster ¿conservas el mensaje completo? ha estado ocurriendo algunos problemas de importación, ver solicitud T2693 en Phabricator. Wiki1776 (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Extension reviewing
Extension reviews seem to be the biggest backlog as far as Phabricator requests are concerned. Perhaps Miraheze should hire someone to help review them? CoolieCoolster (talk) 00:50, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, extension reviews are a big issue currently as the two reviewers are both busy. Unfortunately, I do not think we have enough budget to actually hire someone to do these reviews. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 06:04, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * How much time does it take to review an extension? Depending on how much it would cost, perhaps I could hire someone to review several extensions for Miraheze. CoolieCoolster (talk) 11:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not personally sure about how much time it would take to review an extension, but I imagine it does take a while. A reviewer must make sure that there are no security vulnerabilities in the code, and thoroughly analyse it. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 20:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright. I will ask a PHP developer how long they think it would take to properly review an extension and will compile a list of the unreviewed extensions on Phabricator, and will then see whether or not it is economically worth paying a PHP developer to review the extensions. CoolieCoolster (talk) 20:56, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

$30 an hour
Here is the list of extensions under review: https://podpedia.org/wiki/User:CoolieCoolster/Miraheze_List_of_Extensions_Under_Review There are quite a few of them, and the PHP Dev charges $30 an hour and said that it would take them about an hour on average to review each extension so we need to pick and choose which ones should be reviewed. I can probably pay for three or four extensions to be reviewed. The extension being made for my wiki will be done in about a week and a half and I want it reviewed ASAP so I can use it, so two or three other extensions should be picked for the dev to review. It seems like some of the Phabricator requests for extensions are for unmaintained wikis, so perhaps some requests should be declined. CoolieCoolster (talk) 18:43, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 30$ is quite a high price tag. I would not be in support of this unless the review of these extensions are absolutely necessary to the smooth running of a community. &#32; Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  18:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In this case it would just be me paying for it, although perhaps I should look for someone who is willing to do it for cheaper. Cheaper might also mean not as good of a review though, since the person $30/hour person is a MediaWiki expert. CoolieCoolster (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think $30 per hour (£22 for those in the UK) isn't overly expensive for something specialist such as PHP developer fees. Of course it would cost a small fortune to get all the extensions/skins reviewed so realistically I can't see that happening but I guess if people are willing to pay or make additional donations to get their requested extensions reviewed sooner it's not a bad idea. I would pay to get my requested skin (Pivot) checked if it meant having it sooner, but sometimes you just have to be a little patient for a service that's free. 21:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * No, $30/hour is a bargain for consulting by a MediaWiki expert. However, where we left it last episode (Archive 2 § 27) is that certain extensions are not vital for the community (which can certainly "run smoothly" without them) but only for Coolie to induce authors of podcast wikis to come to his Podpedia.  There are many questions languishing in Phabricator and Coolie is welcome to pay to expedite any of them, but this is not a compelling case to use Treasury money.  It would be nice if Stewards review Coolie's choice of developer before he invests any money.
 * In detail: As well as paying a MediaWiki expert to review a technical question (namely, does a given MediaWiki extension jeopardize the health and security of the system?), it is also easy to pay a fake expert to deliver such an opinion as favors the person paying for it.  I read above that we have two Mirahezians who could do such an evaluation and they are busy.  The rest of us presumably do not know how to evaluate an extension.  The consultant will have to do more than report that "This extension is safe"; he would have to enumerate possible threats to Miraheze and explain to those without his skills why the extension does not deliver any of the threats.  If there are technical credentials a professional could provide to certify expertise with MediaWiki, which would people accept?  An agency with a reputation to preserve would be less likely to bang out an opinion to satisfy the payor, but it will charge much more than $30 an hour.   03:33 10-Feb-2018
 * Small correction: Extension decision is up to Labster and his delegates (currently Samwilson). &mdash; revi  05:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I am willing to donate to Miraheze or pay Labster or Samwilson for faster extension reviewing if that is at all possible. In a week and a half my extension will be ready and I will need it for my wiki to grow. CoolieCoolster (talk) 06:12, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So, what was the outcome of this? Is this going to be a possible way forward to reduce the increasing number of reviews required. The way it looks now a lot of help is needed to reduce the backlog, some stuff which goes back to last October. 22:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I still think that it should be possible to donate to Miraheze to hire someone for faster extension reviewing, however that is just my opinion. CoolieCoolster (talk) 01:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi guys, reviewer here. I guess I could take a pay cut from my day job to work for $30/hour, but that wouldn't actually increase my free time.  So basically what's happening from my point of view is: my mother had heart surgery, my father had surgery to remove a kidney stone, then my hometown caught on fire for over a month so I was breathing smoke all the time but didn't have to evacuate, and then the family all caught the influenza, and then I had to fly across the country to see my grandmother before she died.  So my Miraheze time has dropped a lot lately, and I don't know quite when it will recover.  I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm still CFO of Miraheze, so paying bills has to come first, or otherwise we don't have servers.  Next we need to do nonprofit incorporation, for which I'm the the point person in the absence of actual legal help.  So if you want reviews to go faster, helping to put together a 501(c)(3) application would be one way of doing it.  Another way would be to ask my boss to hire more developers because the rest of the company just doubled in size and we can't crunch for too long here.  Hiring a developer would possible, but really we're not looking for someone at the $30/hour rate, as that would basically be too low for anyone actually competent at security.  It would probably need to be in the 60-75 USD/h range.  Like seriously, some of these extensions are terrible, and I don't trust just anyone to review it.  I'm not opposed to paying, but I would need to trust the reviewer. Other than that, I don't know what to tell you.  Maybe I'll get some more time next month.  There's no use getting upset over extensions, we're all going to die anyway, and then the stars grow dim and cold as the universe expands forever. --Labster (talk) 08:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

(reset indent) Let me be the first to say how sorry I am to hear of the extremely difficult time you have had recently. No one should have to go through that much pressure and emotional strain let along trying to keep things going with work etc. Mate, you should've taken a proper time out from here. Is there really no one else that can deal with Miraheze finances? I understand what you've gone through as the last six months for me have been strangely similar including having an op myself, almost separating my long-term partner and, potentially, losing my house because of it (with the exception of my village being fire) so I know how shit life can be at times. But then I don't have an important role on Miraheze like yourself. A simple message to everyone to say you needed time away for personal reasons would have given you the space to deal with the difficult time you've had of late; I'm sure people would have understood. People can wait for exrensions. Your health and mental wellbeing are more important. I hope things get better for you soon pal. 09:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm also sorry to hear about the troubles that you have been facing recently. I hope that I didn't come across as overly demanding with my comments. As far as the $30 an hour is concerned, that is just how much the person who is creating an extension for me charges. I'm not sure what other people charge, however I'd imagine that other people would charge the same to not lose customers. What skills would someone need to review extensions? CoolieCoolster (talk) 12:37, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Manage a wiki - from private to open
When I started thegreatwar wiki it was private. When I realised it had a lot of potential I decided to make it open by unchecking the "private" option in "Manage a wiki." That was quite a while ago but I have noticed that the site is not being indexed by google and it doesn't appear in Miraheze's wikistats on wmflabs either. My question is if a wiki was original set to private but then changes to open, will search engines etc. eventually find it and start indexing or does the private option prevent this happening (even when the setting is changed at a later date)? 11:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * WMF labs and their quirky polling of Miraheze data, we discussed briefly at Archive 2 § 19 (conclusion: There is nothing we can do about it). The answer to when Google will feature you in its searches is even neater: When you start paying them.  The fact that you are searching for something at TheGreatWar (especially if you force-feed Google the correct URL) notifies Google that someone is searching for it, but doesn't make it popular.  Your contributions to on-line content here are an arithmetic progression; the growth of Internet materials in general is somewhat more than geometric.  Someone's got to advertise your stuff.  We've discussed that several times.  "Promoted tweets," though I don't want to do it, has been recently explained to me as a way, for short money, to pester a lot of relevant web users about the availability of your content.   13:21 21-Feb-2018
 * Quirky is certainly one way to describe the wmflabs stats, but I already knew it was beyond the control of Miraheze. My other site, The Lonsdale Battalion wiki, appeared on the list very early on so I don't know why The Great war wiki is currently invisible. Regarding google, I've never paid them before to have my sites appear in their indexes. It's never been an issue before either and over the years I have half a dozen different websites including a military forum and they were all indexed relatively quickly without intentionally "promoted tweets" (although some people on my forum had at some point discussed it briefly on other military forums so I guess that would have helped). I don't need the site to "popular" per se and certainly not at this early juncture as I have a lot of work to on it, but it would be helpful if it started to appear in the index to garner some possible interest from other like-minded individuals who may be able to help with the multitude of projects I have on the go. I was simply wondering if it had anything to do with the extension "Manage Wiki" as my site was private but is now open, so I guess my query is directed at, the author. If Manage Wiki has nothing to do with it and google simply needs promoted tweets then I am shit out of luck because I detest pestering other site admins to add links and actively promote a site they know nothing about. 21:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, it is indeed because it was private in the past, and Google has skipped indexing it. The simple thing you can do to rectify this is to go to this link and add your URL. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 20:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Better answer than mine; thanks!  22:48 22-Feb-2018

Clickable email address
How do I make an email addres clickable?


 * What do you mean clickable? Is it your own e-mail? If it is you can use a link to Special:EmailUser. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 13:41, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You mean [mailto:hey@revi.xyz hey@revi.xyz]? ( [mailto:hey@revi.xyz hey@revi.xyz] - don’t send mail if you’re human: sending mail to this domain will mark your email provider as a spammer.) &mdash; revi  03:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

How to make a wiki exemption from the dormancy policy?
I decided not to add more content on TNotes, but I'd like to preserve this site. An exemption of dormancy policy is "Wikis made to be read, where a lot of information is already on wiki and doesn't need to be actively edited.". Do I need to apply for an exemption or something in order not to receive inactive warning or lose this site? --Tiger (talk) 08:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If you have content on the wiki that is meant to be read by people, but just not updated regularly, an exemption is possible, yes. Is that the case? Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 11:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly.--Tiger (talk) 12:27, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 13:46, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Creator
Hola. Solicito el permiso de Wiki creators para poder ayudar en las solicitudes de wikis, ya he leído la guía. Llevo un tiempo participando en Meta desde que me registré en mayo de 2017 haciendo comentarios en algunas páginas y quiero seguir colaborando en otras áreas como Creador de wikis y traductor de páginas. Wiki1776 (talk) 22:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * User is around IRC, and seems to be active in translations on Meta and other discussions, therefore I see no issue with granting wiki creator. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 18:47, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Void  Whispers 18:48, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Wiki1776 (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikispaces is shutting down
Wikispaces, a major wiki farm, will begin shutting down in a few months, and its last wikis will shut down on January 31 of next year. Perhaps this is an opportunity for Miraheze to convince customers of the soon-to-be-gone Wikispaces to move to Miraheze? It could be an opportunity to gain more funding since universities and organizations that have paid Wikispaces in the past for their wikis could donate that money to Miraheze instead. Here is a link with information about their shut down: http://blog.wikispaces.com/ CoolieCoolster (talk) 21:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I volunteer to be the contact person for any college or university interested in making the switch. I looked seriously at Wikispaces as a possible alternative in case Miraheze ever closed down.  I discovered that Miraheze is in many ways superior because it's syntax so closely mirrors the Wikimedia Foundation.  I am also looking to help out with any grants, especially those involving Quizbank and designing courses compatible with https://openstax.org/ or http://astro.unl.edu/.  Also, there is something called CPR that needs to be made compatible with a wiki.  It was developed as a free resource by UCLA, and then sold to a for-profit organization.  There is no reason why a system like this shouldn't be open source.  For more info on CPR, visit http://cpr.molsci.ucla.edu/Home.aspx.  My CV is at http://www.wright.edu/~guy.vandegrift/shortCV/GVCV.htm.  I am close enough to retirement age that having tenure is not a big deal and would gladly work full-time on soft money to get this effort going. --Guy vandegrift (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Here is a list of educational Wikispaces wikis: http://educationalwikis.wikispaces.com/Examples+of+educational+wikis CoolieCoolster (talk) 19:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

A quibble
A quibble: When a university develops a resource for free distribution, then sells it to a for-profit organization (whose own vision of the future might be: profit), the question is not, "Shouldn't it be open-source?" but "Is it open-source?" 16:01 15-Feb-2018
 * I am not certain about this, but I don't think the university "sold" it because for several years they hosted a free version that a colleague of mine used for an online economics course. He was glad the university offered the service because the other one cost something like $500.  My understanding is that the university took down the free version only because they replaced the computer.  CPR is vaguely analogous to the systems of "likes" or "shares" used in social media, except that there is quality control.  A student is unable to submit their essay until the student has correctly assessed other essays that have already been "graded".  And, each student's grade is based partly on how accurately they "grade" recently submitted essays that have not yet been graded.  To keep people from copying each other's essays, all essays must be about a recent news article.  It's a bit more work than the crazy "likes" and "shares" that facebook uses, by my colleague assured me that CPR was a labor-saving device for him.  My argument is that if a robot can drive a car in city traffic, we should be able to teach college courses with a lot less effort (before college they are still children and need real people to encourage them.)--Guy vandegrift (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Without a doubt, college could occur "with a lot less effort" and a lot less student debt. There is no magic about the lecture-hall setting; colleges excel not at teaching but at certifying that the student has learned.  As for saving effort, there are institutional forces to the contrary, from teachers' unions to our sudden monopoly on student lending.
 * But your speculation becomes: How to enhance the Wikilove extension ("thanks" for posts) to improve the quality of the votes. Without baking it into the wiki, Uncyclopedia has a system by which authors review each other's articles.  Users are encouraged to submit reviews and not just request them, and one's own reputation is at stake if he is thoughtlessly negative.   18:53 15-Feb-2018
 * (PS—Actually, one's reputation is not at stake but only the reputation of one's user name. And there is no comparable assurance against cribbing someone else's review, except that a typical review request leads to only one review—though the reviewee can "request a second opinion."   19:01 15-Feb-2018 )
 * You are right about the inertia in the system regarding "setting education free". But it doesn't hurt to push in the right direction.  Regarding the "peer review" in CPR, each instructor has complete control over the peer review in the present configuration of CPR.  The instructor selects the papers that the students must successfully review before the article can be submitted, and to all but the instructor, the peer reviews are completely anonymous; neither reviewer nor reviewee know each other's true identity or even username.

Formats for moving an account here
In the past, when wiki.wiki was shutting down, we were open for possible incoming migration, AFAIK there were none. If someone would like to be imported, sure, we can handle it. (PS: We only accept XML backups. (I don't know if they accept this format as export option.) HTML, as explained in their migration doc is not a standard form for MW import. Our server is 100% Unix (in fact, Linux) so you should choose Unix format, too.) I have sort of draft (without knowing this) in Moving wiki to Miraheze, improvements welcome. &mdash; revi  16:49, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with revi. This is a good opportunity, and if anyone wants to migrate from Wikispaces, we would be happy to host them :) We strongly prefer XML dumps, but if the only possibility is SQL dumps, that could also be done, if necessary (and if the version is 1.30). But HTML dumps or anything (as revi said above) are not accepted for technical reasons., thank you for volunteering to be a contact person. Hopefully we will get wikis willing to migrate. Reception123 (talk) ('C' ) 18:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * As always, the key is advertising, and this time I don't mean a big-budget professional agency. We ought to have a liaison to Wikispaces.  They might be reluctant to give Miraheze an official endorsement, but they are as motivated to give their stranded users information about one fine replacement service, as we are that they do so.  Their closure announcement, linked to above, has the flavor "Have a nice life!" but there is no reason it couldn't include something of the form, "Here is one place you might try!"   18:57 15-Feb-2018

Quick skimming smells like they’re not MediaWiki; I’m not sure. Anyway, if their export tool cannot generate xml file that Special:Import and importDump.php understand, we can’t help them with their ‘backups’. &mdash; revi</tt>  21:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I remember when MWZip (another hosting service) shut down, they mentioned Miraheze and another wiki hosting service in their announcement. Either Wikispaces could do that, or they could simply link to a list with all wiki hosting services (such as the one on MediaWiki.org) Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 15:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I manage a wiki on wikispaces, and am considering migrating to Miraheze. Their list of export options includes "MediaWiki - this is a conversion of your wikispaces data into mediawiki (mediawiki.org) dialect." -Katherine, 3/2/18
 * That sounds compatible with us. Pick a username here, request a wiki, and see if you can export your stuff onto it in MediaWiki format; if it works, please mention us as an option to the others there.   22:22 2-Mar-2018
 * (minor) Added back as bot archived due to non-standard signature timestamp. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * C.F. Autoarchive. &mdash; revi</tt>  10:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Infobox Differences from Wikia
I transferred my wiki from Wikia.com to Miraheze and imported the xml, but the infoboxes on the new wiki don't work. I don't know what changes I have to make to the infoboxes to make them work on miraheze, I thought they were the same for all mediawiki wikis. Can someone tell me the miraheze version of this wikia infobox source code:

Details <group layout="horizontal" show="incomplete"> Combatants

--^Vitiate^ (talk) 04:57, 6 March 2018 (EST)


 * Wikia was energetically re-engineering Infoboxes and frequently nagging wiki administrators to adopt the new coding. Their criteria was smooth operation on mobile devices and rendering in stages to deliver quicker reaction for readers.  Stock MediaWiki, including wikitables, work fine on Miraheze.   22:18 6-Mar-2018


 * Without a visual example, that's rather hard to do. We do have general help for infoboxes (those from Wikipedia) here and a wiki dedicated to templates, which may prove useful. If that doesn't prove useful, then I would need to see a live example of the infobox. -- Void  Whispers 00:16, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Install GlobalUserPage
I propose that we install the GlobalUserPage extension. It is used by the WMF and would be very useful on miraheze. Those who would not want a GlobalUserPage can use or __NOGLOBAL__ on their user page. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 17:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Votes

 * 1)  as proposer. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 19:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2)  as long as abusefilters are setup to prevent global userpages to be used as an advertising place. Zppix (Meta | CVT Member | talk to me) 17:56, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 3)  (as it is currently) My issue with this is the fact that you need to "opt-out" if you don't want it, not that you need to "opt-in" if you do. I would definitely support this if it's disabled by default, as then users decide whether they want a global userpage or not. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:03, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 4)  See my previous comments on T1681. —<b style="color: #1406D0;">AlvaroMolina</b> (<b style="color: #137500;">✉</b> -  ✔ ) 18:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 5)  Esta función me parece perfecta. La he probado en Wikimedia y la veo útil. Así no tienes que actualizar cada wiki con nueva información o modificar el existente. Solo tienes que ir a Meta y actualizarlo. Wiki1776 (talk) 18:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 6)  There is only one of me, and Mirahezians wanting to write to me ought not have to research which wiki has the busier talk page (though there is a hint in my signature).  If users want project-specific user pages, this is easily done and the global user page is an ideal directory of them.  Reception123 is right to be concerned about users getting opted-in involuntarily, but in this case, reacting to it is simple.  I support it with either opt-in or opt-out.   18:47 3-Feb-2018
 * 7)  Would change vote to support if it were opt-in and not opt-out. CoolieCoolster (talk) 19:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 8)  I have no problem with this and the caveat isn't an issue for me either as I trust Miraheze admins.  20:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 9) I also think this should be opt-in (  opposed to current NOGLOBAL opt-out). &mdash;  revi</tt>  03:07, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 10) For the betterment of the community, I believe that it should be opt-in not opt-out. I thoroughly believe only people interested in using such a feature will actually use it, so there is no need to make it opt-out. I fully support this motion if it is opt-in. &#32;  Miraheze Logo.svg CnocBride | Talk | Contribs  12:20, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 11)  It'd be very useful. -- 11:35, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Comments/Questions

 * Making the feature opt-in can be achieved by setting wgDefaultUserOptions['globaluserpage'] = false; However, this requires the addition of the global preferences extension as well. -- Void  Whispers 20:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Per https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T184643 GlobalPreferences passed WMF security review. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 22:02, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, wasn't there a performance issue related to GlobalPreferences, pointed out by Labster? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 19:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I would imagine that was GlobalContribs, if only for the reason that WMF is adding GlobalPreferences, while a phab task on GlobalContribs hinted that the performance impact from GlobalContribs would make it impossible to use with more than several hundred wikis. -- Void  Whispers 20:04, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So, today we installed both extensions, and discovered that GUP mo longer integrates with GlobalPreferences. We disabled GUP. We now have three options, if we still want it.
 * 1. Fork the repo and integrate the fork with GlobalPreferences
 * 2. Open a task on WMF phabricator asking to add this feature back
 * 3. Have it be Opt-Out
 * MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 22:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * As I have also said on IRC, I'd prefer number 1 (since number 2 is unlikely to happen). Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 06:19, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I dislike the idea of forking repos to make non breaking changes. I removed a few forked repos in favour of going back to upstream because it’s nice, cleaner, easier and puts the maintenance onus on someone else completely. The number of extensions declined because x or y which are easy fixes that we’ve never forked show it’s not something we should be doing. Plus we’ve never forked to fix performance issues, instead we work upstream. Why is this any different from everything else? John (talk) 09:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that option 1 would probobly be the best, since I am not sure that the devs would add a feature back that they just removed. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 13:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like we are going with option 2. We will need somone who is willing to keep the extension updated. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Create a sitewide iw link to TME?
On Administrators' noticeboard, I requested that  (and  ) be added as an interwiki prefix for The Multilingual Encyclopedia (https://tme.miraheze.org) as a global interwiki. It got no response, so I assume it needs community consensus? Can it happen? -- 11:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, for creating a new global Interwiki, there should be consensus. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 08:02, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Where are Miraheze's servers located?
Where? It doesn't say it in the FAQ. I need it for VandalismWiki's general disclaimer. -- 05:33, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * (Please ping me.) -- 05:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The location for individual servers can be found by visiting the individual pages (see Category:Servers), but most of our servers are located in the Netherlands, with the exception of Tech:bacula1 and Tech:cp2 which are located in the United States. For your disclaimer, you can probably say "in the Netherlands and the United States". Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:41, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S.: Also added to the FAQ. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a plan for CP3, but only thing we know for sure is it will be located in Asia Pacific. (No final decision about the location has been made) &mdash; revi</tt>  12:16, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Does Miraheze have a counter to count the number of visitors to a page?
I'd like a counter on just a few pages of my wiki. Does Miraheze have a counter I could use? Or can I install a third party counter somehow? Thank you. Bulrush (talk) 11:37, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry that no one answered until now. We do have a project concerning this, though currently Miraheze users can't view statistics or counters. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:15, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Language errors
The UI language of my wiki is supposed to be Korean, but sometimes it's displayed as English. What's wrong with my wiki? --Glacial HCM (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Already reported in T2982 and T2983 Wiki1776 (talk) 22:31, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Users can't edit, or even read my new wiki even though pages aren't protected
I've set up a new Wiki this week, but I'm hearing from users that they can't edit it. I set up a second log in identity to be able to investigate from a non-admin account, and I can't even read the pages even though I've confirmed that email address. I'm getting the message that only admins or members have permission to see pages but there seems to be no way to request or grant membership. Also, I intended this to be an open-to-anyone wiki!

Please help. What have I done wrong? I literally just edited the intro page and started making a couple of linked pages. I didn't change any default settings. I cannot find help anywhere - all the FAQ and user instructions say it's a simple case of clicking EDIT but this is not an option if people can't even read the page.

Thanks.

~


 * You have requested a private wiki. Please go to Special:ManageWiki on your wiki and uncheck the "private" box, then it will work as a public wiki. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 13:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@Reception123 Thank you for your reply. I have found that and unchecked private. However, I am still unable to read the pages from my test user account. Do you know what else might be the problem? ~
 * I can access pages when I am not logged in. Please refresh the page and try again, if the error still persists please take a screenshot of the error so we can better troubleshoot. Also, when you sign, don't use "nowiki" as that makes your signature with 4 tidles unusable. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Got a notice that my wiki has been created, but where?
I got this message: "Hello, you've recently requested a wiki at Miraheze and we are happy to tell you that it has now been created by one of our volunteers."

However, I can't seem to find it! There is no link to it that I can see. I may just be dense, could anyone point me in the right direction? Lorcanwolf (talk) 02:12, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry when I created your wiki, I did not realise I had to write on your talk page. I thought once the wiki is created it would do it for me, I was wrong so sorry. Your wiki is located at https://cowofgold.miraheze.org/ Paladox (talk) 02:22, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

How can I change my subdomain name?
I just started my new wiki and now I realized that I should have named it "Syncropedia" instead of "Sincropedia". Is there any chance to change it now that it's already created? Many thanks for your help. Marcocallaghan (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * For better tracking, would it be possible for you to make a request on Phabricator? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 17:54, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would do it but I'm not completely sure on how to do a request on Phabricator. I already activated my account there, but where I should post my petition? In "Dashboard"? Thanks! Marcocallaghan (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * By clicking the Phabricator link I linked above (just click on "Phabricator") you should directly be directed to the request form. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 17:06, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

How can I give members access to my wiki?
New members are logged in at miraheze, but how can I give them access to my private wiki?
 * You need to use Special:UserRights and assign them the "member" right. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 16:36, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Phabricator does not work
When clicking on the phabricator link I get the message: "A Troublesome Encounter! Woe! This request had its journey cut short by unexpected circumstances (Can Not Connect to MySQL)." Can you have a look into that? Thank you.Schatten (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Just got fixed. -- Void  Whispers 00:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Importing data in wikimedia dialect (from Wikispaces)
Hi. I have exported data in wikimedia dialect from Wikispaces, and intend to import them here. Is there an easy way to do that? Is it even possible? Loethre (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, unless you have an XML file or a SQL file, it currently does not seem possible for you to be able to directly import Wikispaces content. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 14:28, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Firms
I was trying to update my signature, and I see that there are certain character limits, would not it be better to remove that limit? GOTILON (talk) 19:03, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Signature limits aren't exactly things we have access to change I believe. There is an easy workaround however. If you create a page such as User:GOTILON/sig and then put your signature there, you can put into your preferences, and it will work as your signature. --  Void  Whispers 20:37, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, It worked very well, thanks for the help <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  14:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Extension:Configure
Hi, I'm here to ask if the extension I put as a section title is enabled in Miraheze, and if so, is it editable by bureaucrats or only by system administrators?.....<span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  14:54, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not, and will not be available on Miraheze. We are currently working on a similar extension, which you can access on Special:ManageWiki. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 17:25, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In this functionality will the bureaucrats of each wiki or only the administrators of the system have access? Also, will it be possible to change the skins by default of the different wikis? <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  18:18, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It’s available to bureaucrats and sysadmins. To change the default skin, you should open a task on phabricator. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 20:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Request for Wiki Creator by GOTILON
Hello, maybe nobody knows me, I introduce myself, I'm GOTILON, a user with some other knowledge in MediaWiki software, I come here to ask the community for support in my request as Wiki Creator, trying to give my support, in addition to to be able to help Spanish-speaking users who have no idea of English (I am not an English expert but a native Spanish speaker) can see my contributions at this wiki that I founded, I await your comments, questions, support or rejections <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  19:19, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This is fine with me. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 20:33, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Done,please read Meta:Wiki creators guide. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 11:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

For the record, leave user right grant to steward and don't do userright on your own. You approve the request, but you don't grant the user right. &mdash; revi</tt>  14:29, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Name change
I have a question that intrigues me, I know that it is allowed to change the name of the users, but is it limited to changes of names or can it be done as many times as one wants? <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  19:41, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There really isn't any set rules on name changes, excepting perhaps our Code of Conduct. Of course, if you ask for a new name every day, I might not be inclined to accept. :) -- Void  Whispers 19:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Warn Message
How can I write a warn message? I wanted something inside a box, maybe an alert or a template. Durval88 (talk) 22:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this something like what you're looking for? -- Void  Whispers 22:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes it's. But I cannot make it work. I tried to copy the source but it didn't work. Durval88 (talk) 22:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That's because it also requires Module:Message box, Module:Message box/configuration, Module:No globals, Module:Category handler, Module:Category handler/data, Module:Category handler/blacklist, Module:Category handler/shared, Module:Category handler/config, Module:Yesno, and Module:Arguments. That's quite the rabbit hole. -- Void  Whispers 22:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I never used Module here and I couldn't find how to use it. This is my first day editing a Wiki. I was able to require an Extension and use it. Is it similar or not? Durval88 (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Modules are pages, like templates, that can be called to produce an effect. To use them, all you need to do is copy the page onto your wiki and then any template that uses it will function. If you need any assistance with that, let me know, and I can get them imported for you. -- Void  Whispers 01:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Echo
I know that the Echo extension is enabled in all the wikis, what I do not know is: will the notifications of a specific wiki get to you like this in another wiki ?, if not, it would be great if there was some way to do that!! <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  13:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes if you enable the beta feature in your GlobalPrefrences. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:48, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks once more <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  16:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Can someone give me a hand?
Goodnight: First of all I want to apologize because my English is not very good. Second, a few days ago I created a wiki (eccatonia.miraheze.org) and I have been importing templates from the Wikipedia in Spanish. However, now I get an error and I do not know how to fix it. Could someone tell me what I should do? Thank you (And I'm sorry if you're not in the right place) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Numancia (talk • contribs) 22:14, 13 May 2018‎ UTC
 * On what page are you encountering the error? -- Void  Whispers 00:38, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * is in https://eccatonia.miraheze.org/wiki/Uni%C3%B3n_Micronacional_de_Radiodifusi%C3%B3n, it appears "Enlaces a elementos diferentes desactivado", and I don't know what to do. Numancia (talk) 10:47, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a start, but the display is still weird. I think you would need wikibase to be enabled to go any further. Although, I can always try to change the output from "Enlaces a elementos diferentes desactivado." to an empty value (that won't display). As an FYI, the infobox is in a weird position with limited formatting because you also need to import MediaWiki:Common.css. -- Void  Whispers 23:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Request requiring admins on another wiki, where both of the admins are inactive
Where is the best place to go if you want an action to be done on a specific Miraheze wiki that requires admin attention? On the Lost Minecraft Miners Wiki, I would like for an edit to be made to the main page, which would require lowering its protection to semi (which may be a possibility, as there has not been a single case of vandalism in the history of the wiki), or an admin making the edit themselves. I notified the only bureaucrat about this on their talk page, and pinged the only admin, but I have not gotten any reply. I do think at some point another admin that's an active editor should probably be promoted so that admin actions will be able to be performed locally. There are also a lot of other requests I would like to have done that require admins - mostly editing the MediaWiki interface, such as the sidebar and the licenses page. I apologize if this is not the best place to put this (I know that it's probably not), but I wanted somebody to be aware of this.Madminecrafter12 (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Stewards' noticeboard is the correct place for a request like this. Though I'm sure a steward would read this here and handle it with time. John (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply. I'll request this on the Stewards' noticeboard if a steward doesn't reply to this or the task isn't done for a while.Madminecrafter12 (talk) 21:45, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ (that is to say, I've just bumped down the protection level on the main page) -- Void  Whispers 22:01, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you. :)--Madminecrafter12 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Search Console
He,

I was wondering, is it possible to at a Miraheze wiki to Googles Search Console? Nvda-nl (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am not sure what you mean by this. Is it that you want your wiki to appear in Google searches? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I mean adding a wiki to Google Search Console. Nvda-nl (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * What is required for adding it? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 11:44, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You have to virify that you are the owner of the site by uploading an HTML file or adding a meta tach to the homepage. Nvda-nl (talk) 13:52, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You can email me the file and I will upload it; then you must add it as soon as you can so I can remove it from the directory. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 15:00, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Google requires that the file remain on the server. However, I have discovered that I can also virify my wiki by adding a txt record to my domain. I think that is a better solution in this case. Thanks for your help. Nvda-nl (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok then, happy to help. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 16:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Wiki Creator Request
I'm Coolie, and I joined Miraheze nearly a year ago. Since then, I have been working for the most part on my own wiki, Podpedia. On Meta, I sometimes see wiki requests get unanswered for several hours. As a wiki creator, I will try to reduce the average waiting time between a wiki being requested and created, so people are more likely to recommend Miraheze to others. CoolieCoolster (talk) 00:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We absolutely need more wiki creators to reduce latency, which is going to be a huge factor in determining whether users follow through with creating their wikis. I'd request it myself but I've requested it twice and lost it from inactivity so I'm not requesting it again until I'm confident I'll be staying active. XOF (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you read and understood Wiki creators guide? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have. CoolieCoolster (talk) 11:31, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no problems so ✅ by me. A steward can assign the rights. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 11:34, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ by John. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 15:47, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

1. Hebrew and 2. Adding Uses to My Wiki
Hi all,

First apology: I'm a Wiki novice and my English is not perfect. Sorry :)

1. Hebrew: The editor adds the lang=he and dir=rtl attributes correctly, but the paragraph align is still to the left. Please see the following captures https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zwxVjNnnntBd1cHOZJTFxlX6J73f8V7U

2. I want the Wiki to be private, but to be able to invite people to register and take part in the Wiki (this is a site for Education students in my University, and I assume it will be easier with the Uni if I do it this way and not allow public access due to copyright considerations). How do I do this?

Avinatbezeq (talk) 15:48, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For 2., you can restrict access in two ways.
 * If you know everyone's email, you can just create an account, and let MediaWiki generate password and email to them. And after you create an account, you can access Special:UserRights  and grant   to the accounts you need.
 * If you do not know everyone's email (or if you can't for some reason), you can let them create an account on this wiki, then visit your wiki, and tell you the account name, so you can add them on the same interface I gave you above.
 * &mdash; revi</tt>  15:58, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Revi for your answers!
 * For 2.1 - "Create an account" - In Miraheze? In Edustudent (my Wiki, Edustudent.miraheze.org)? In Wikipedia? - Sorry, thoroughly disoriented just now - newbie :(. Can you provide a link/page name?
 * For 1 - I've provided a link to the images. I had to struggle with the visual editor to add the link. It did not allow me (unspecified error). I finally had to resort to the "non-visual" one, which then made me prove I'm not a robot before it allowed me to add the exteranl link...
 * — Avinatbezeq (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That should be on your wiki. Put  on your wiki search bar and enter. Click "", enter username/email address. They will automatically receive "your account on (your wiki) is created! Your password is: BLAH. Your password is only good for X days." Then you can visit   on your wiki, enter their username, click "members", enter the reason, and save. &mdash;  revi</tt>  16:47, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 10X — Avinatbezeq (talk) 17:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC) Hello,
 * I am completing this question, as my demand is really close to Avinatbezeq's one. I have a private wiki, I want to add users. The solution 2 would be good to me, but :
 * If someone goes on "Special:CreateAccount" on my wiki (rseifv.miraheze.org), he can't acces to the page (permission refused).
 * A colleague (Marion Bouvier) created an account on meta.miraheze.org, but I can't find her on my "Special:UserRights" page. In meta, I can.
 * I tried to create her an account on my wiki (solution 2), but when I put her name, I am told that the user already exists.
 * What's wrong with this way of doing things ?  David LAFOND (talk) 10:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I have never tried it, but now something I could do is create the account in Miraheze in any other public wiki (for example, Meta), after that, going to the private wiki, to the main page, is so that your account exists locally in the private wiki (because although the accounts exist globally, they do not appear in the list of local users of the wiki until the user in question does not enter the local wiki), so you should it is possible to add the user to some group of permissions, be it member, administrator, etc... <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  12:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Avinatbezeq, Sorry for the late response:
 * You have to create an account for them, because "Special:CreateAccount" is not a whitelisted page for unauthorized person.
 * If they created an account on meta.miraheze.org, then they MUST visit your wiki at least once, so their account appears on the user list.
 * Tell your colleague to visit your wiki and log in from there (if they aren't), and you'll be able to use "Special:UserRights" and assign "member". &mdash; revi</tt>  18:47, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Is it possible to make wiki creation automatic?
There's a lot of latency for wiki creation now that could be a big turn-off for prospective users. The ability to sign up, create a new wiki and test it out would be a big factor for getting new users. Prospective users aren't likely to submit a request unless they've already made the choice to use Miraheze. If you're worried about spam you could have limit on wiki creation for new accounts or another strategy. XOF (talk) 04:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There are several evident reasons why wiki requests are not automatic. The first is to avoid people who don't actually want a wiki from spamming wiki requests, creating dozens of wikis they don't actually want, and wasting server resources. The second would be to guarantee that to ensure that peoples' wikis do not contain material that goes against Miraheze's Terms and Conditions. CoolieCoolster (talk) 06:42, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think the idea in itself is bad, but it can currently not be done. The only way I see this being possible is if we have an AbuseFilter capable of fighting spam and inappropriate wikis. After that wiki creators would just check after the wiki is created to make sure that it complies, and mark it as "checked". Currently our CreateWiki abusefilter is public, and in my opinion a public filter is no good for this, so that would have to be changed. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 10:01, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Alternately, as a thought, what about simply making unchecked wikis private? Although, it would be a good idea to make the blacklist private should it become all that important. -- Void  Whispers 16:47, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * At first, the creation of wikis automatically sounds good, but I agree with Coolie, the manual creation avoids many problems, in addition, we must consider that Miraheze is still a small wikis farm, where the supervision of creation of wikis must be more meticulous, although the creation of wikis is not ruled out automatically <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  13:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Other then the possibility of wikis being spammed, I don't see what problems are being prevented by not having wiki creation be automatic. It doesn't stop users from adding prohibited content because they can still do that after their wikis are approved.  Unless the wiki name or short description says something blatantly prohibited an approval process isn't going to solve that.  Even in those cases users who are going to make prohibited wikis can always bait and switch the description from what the wiki will actually be for.  In the case of wiki creation spam, an empty wiki shouldn't take up that much space and wiki approval still doesn't do anything to mitigate this because users who want to waste space can spam their own wikis after creation, which would be harder to detect because the spam would only be on their wiki instead of Meta like if they were spamming wiki creation.  I suspect it would take a very long time before spam created wikis would take up any meaningful amount of space.  This problem is incredibly easy to fix because all we have to do is set a limit on wiki creation.  It could even be something generous like 10 per day because legitimate users probably won't need that many at once and it gives a chance to easily delete them.  We could also implement a feature for nuking wikis created by a user in a given timeframe.
 * I don't see why Miraheze being a small wiki farm requires supervision of wiki creation to be meticulous. The opposite is true.  A large wiki farm with many people will see more abuse and so supervision there must be more meticulous.  If anything, Miraheze being a small farm makes it disastrous for growth for us not to have automatic wiki creation.  The majority of users who come here are going to want to create a wiki and test things out to see if Miraheze is suitable for their project idea.  They might try several wiki farms at once.  If they have to wait around they might go with another farm or abandon their idea altogether.  I can't possibly imagine what good it does us to require users to wait for wiki creation and it only harms us.  XOF (talk) 03:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You're right in a lot of what you say, on the other hand, you have to consider that the more careful you have with the creation of wikis, the better for Miraheze, consider that Miraheze is new, in addition to not having a profit, every space badly spent, it's Miraheze's poorly spent money, see Finance and you'll see what resources Miraheze has and what it spends for hosting and backups <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  13:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As I've said above; I've been thinking about automation of wiki creation since the beginning, only the constraints are that unless we have a working system to prevent abuse and to check that wikis are compliant to the Content Policy, it can't work, in my opinion. Again, it would be nice if we could implement this system, and also have an automated wiki creation system. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 08:23, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Adding extensions via Special:ManageWiki
Yesterday on https://caeda.miraheze.org/, I checked the box for the Metrolook skin, however the wiki's skin hasn't changed yet. CoolieCoolster (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You can open a task in Phabricator to find out more about the change that has not been made <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  18:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If you've just enabled a skin, it has to be turned on in preferences. IIRC setting the default skin still has to be done through phab. -- Void  Whispers 19:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Removal of remnants on articles
Hello. Over the course of bringing in some templates I needed for my wiki, I accidentally allowed the table tools to be corrupted or something of that sort, leading to the appearance of the

fragments that spill over from an infobox and into the article itself. I haven't been successful in tracking down the location of the template causing this to happen, though it has only appeared when using the Template:Infobox officeholder. My wiki is https://omniversalis.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page. Any support would be appreciated. Thank you. Vivaporius (talk) 16:13, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you use Special:Import? should be able to help you. Reception123  (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 19:52, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I used the Special:Import function to bring in the templates, but the error only appeared after I imported Template:SfnRef. I imported hundreds of templates from Wikipedia without the error appearing, but it just came up out of nowhere that one day. I removed Template:SfnRef and several templates prior to it without any success. A colleague of mine was able to get around the error himself, but I still can't find out where the error is coming from. I'll certain reach out to Void for his assistance in resolving the matter. Thank you. Vivaporius (talk) 20:51, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Malware
For several months I have been trying to advertise my wiki, Podpedia, on Google. Whenever I have tried, they have told me that Podpedia has malware on it. A couple of weeks ago I sent an email to Google asking them about this, and now I have gotten an email back from Google that confirms that Google's malware scanner detected malware on Podpedia:



So either Google is wrong, or on some part of Podpedia there is malware. Does anyone have any idea why Google says there is malware on my wiki?

CoolieCoolster (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting us know about the Malware notification, though that is very odd. However, please see User talk:CoolieCoolster, as advertising is prohibited on Miraheze. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 17:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not trying to add any ads to Podpedia. I want to advertise my wiki on Google, not the other way around. CoolieCoolster (talk) 17:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There could be a technical problem behind this where software on the site is triggering detection by Google. Google is also a shitty company and they could be accusing your site of having malware because they don't like the software it's using or they don't like something about your wiki or Miraheze.  XOF (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you ask the Google representative to provide which URL is causing problem? &mdash; revi</tt>  15:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The ad that I created for my wiki has the link podpedia.org. CoolieCoolster (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there any way to get more details regarding this? I really see no way in which the site could have malware. Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 19:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll ask what type of malware their scanner detected and if I get a response I will let you know. CoolieCoolster (talk) 02:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ask them for full URL. They should have "what" exact page is causing problem or it's just typical-Google-BS as always. &mdash; revi</tt>  07:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * They claim that "the entire domain" is affected by malware and to "run a sweep of the website" to fix it. CoolieCoolster (talk) 21:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Sequence to having my own domain, hopefully for free.
Bear with my technical ignorance here. What I would like if possible is a unique wiki address. So for example:- wiki.campaign-labour.org. I had persuaded myself that I could ask miraheze for this and you would give me a IP address. I would then give the name to say somebody like Cloudfare or FreeDNS etc and the IP address. Then I would set up on the free DNS to match Miraheze re-direct requirements and all would be hunky dory.

I suspect I am being somewhat naive. But I didn't particularly want to go to a web provider at this stage (godaddy for example) and register for a service from them.

So am I being completely naive on how this all hangs together? Do I need to register a name with a separate provider? Could you provide me with a numpties guide to what I am looking to achieve?

Many thanks
 * Welcome aboard! What you are asking for is called Custom domains.  See also our FAQ document.   14:41 30-May-2018
 * We can't register a domain for someone else, sorry. &mdash; revi</tt>  15:13, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I am quite ignorant on this to say the least. So if I look at your instructions my first step is to set up a DNS server. So I go to cloudfare and the first thing it says is "you haven't created a website" - then it asks for a name. So what name do I put in there? I don't have a website. Do I enter you web addess and then create a subdomain and then give you the subdomain details? I can't imagine that could be correct, as then I've added miraheze to cloudfare. If it is the case that I'll need to go to a website provider, then I can do that. Just I didn't want all there bells and whistles as your page has all I need in terms of software, servers etc.
 * What exactly is your domain provider? If we know what it is, maybe we can help you more easily <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">GOTILON - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Talk  - <span style="color: #F8EFFB; font-family: Harrington; text-shadow: 0px 0px 0px #00A6AE,1px 1px 0px #00A6AE,2px 2px 0px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE,0 0 7px #00A6AE;">Contributions  19:13, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I think I've got where I am going wrong now. I'll take the necessary steps and raise the form when everything is set up correctly. Many thanks for your help.

How to mass-delete imported pages?
I foolishly imported a bunch of templates from another wiki thinking I might need them, but I really don't, and afterward I decided I'd rather build my own templates from scratch. But the Mass Delete tool will only delete pages I created on my wiki, not pages I imported. Is there anything I can do besides going through and deleting each imported page one by one? Zaluzianskya (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * If you have a list of pages, it's actually pretty easy to mass delete them, either by requesting the sysadmins to do it for you, or by using a userscript. -- Void  Whispers 19:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I certainly have no clue how to use a userscript (I thought I might try Pywikibot, but it seems that it doesn't work with Miraheze?), so should I just email the staff a list of the pages I need removed? Zaluzianskya (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case, yeah, it would be best to send in a request, however I believe phabricator would be the better place to lodge such a request. -- Void  Whispers 20:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Renaming a Wiki
Hi, basically I would like to rename https://gamdug.miraheze.org/ to something else. However, having checked https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Rename_a_wiki, I have no idea how. Would it be simpler just to let Gamdug expire and make a new one (it only has 6 pages, it would be easy to move over) or is there an easy way of renaming? I don't want to waste bandwidth or anything. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks.

AllenY (talk) 11:34, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Go to Special:ManageWiki on that wiki, and if you are a bureaucrat, you should be able to rename the wiki. CoolieCoolster (talk) 12:00, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that won't work? &mdash; revi</tt>  12:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Request it using this form and system administrators will handle it. &mdash; revi</tt>  12:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! AllenY (talk) 12:14, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

No access to Special:ManageWiki
Hi all. I've received a notification of closure for domusaurea.miraheze.org, and I'd like to reopen it for editing. I can't access Special:ManageWiki, though. Could anybody please help me? Thanks, Domusaurea (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you getting any specific errors, and are you sure you are logged in? -- Void  Whispers 18:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Error: "No active login attempt is in progress for your session." (can't log in to Phabricator, either)
Hi. When I try logging in to miraheze, I get this error "No active login attempt is in progress for your session." and I can't log in (actually, sometimes I can, but soon I find myself logged out). I know I should contact someone on Phabricator, but now I can't even log in to Phabricator, either, because I use my meta account to log in, and I need someone's help. (I have my own wiki on miraheze, and can't log in to that wiki with the same error written in Japanese)

I found out that this is a known error in wikimedia, and there seems to be some sort of mod to fix it. Would anyone make a task on Phabricator for me instead?--183.74.195.138 12:58, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

P.S. I might be able to avoid this problem by logging in to another wiki (according to the page I gave above), but it seems that this issue is common among other miraheze wiki users (such as this ), and I think we need to fix it.--183.74.195.138 12:58, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * We already have the fix to that specific bug you reported, in fact, we've had it for nearly a year. The issue we have is tracked at this task which has not really made any progress for nearly two years (since it was made). Out of curiosity, are you logging in on mobile? -- Void  Whispers 16:30, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This time I was able to log in successfully. I guess it occurs from time to time.
 * I use mobile tethering (so my IP looks like that of mobile), but the device I actually use is a laptop PC.--開拓者 (talk) 09:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, please could you try relogging in (either by resetting your password which should i think clear your session (not a 100% sure though). Also clear your cookies too. See https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3194 Paladox (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, we have fixed this problem now, please try relogging in. Paladox (talk) 23:35, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Succeeded. Thank you for your help.--開拓者 (talk) 09:29, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

What happened to my pages? Kpiq
Folks

Earlier in the day I was able to make some relevant edits. All of a sudden, after noon I can't access the pages I created at kpiq.miraheze.org. Can somebody help?

Regards

Pedro Serrano


 * Moved from AN as the is the appropriate place to ask. Could you please describe your issue more detailed? Are you getting an error when trying to access your pages/your wiki? Reception123 (talk) (<font color="#FF0000">'C' ) 18:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * HTTP error 500, I'm assuming it has to do with the TemplateStyles thing. -- Void  Whispers 19:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

The problem is, all my pages dissappeared and now my login is gone. I can't even login. The error is:

Central user log in

No active login attempt is in progress for your session.

Return to the previous page.

Can anybody restore my login and my pages?

Regards

Pedro Serrano

username: Kpiq


 * Hello, please try relogging in, we have just fixed the login issue. Paladox (talk) 22:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

How much controversial/disturbing must content be in order to be removed from sysadmins, exactly?
I don't know if this is the right place for a question that I already asked a few times without a clear answer, but my community needs to know before moving here. The content policy says we can't post things that are illegal in California or Netherland. Well, my community has no idea what that really means nor we can hire a lawyer, and since our wiki is about satire most of our content will be offensive for someone. We need at least an approximate answer before moving 14K+ articles, so I'll make some examples.

Would the following content be removed no matter what?
 * 1) An article about a famous singer who doesn't like being mocked and whose lawyer just sent a menacing mail telling us to remove the page.
 * 2) A news article about a famous bike racer dead in a tragic accident, causing many fans to be outraged.
 * 3) An article about a dark homicide case involving minors.
 * 4) An article depicting a sport based on hunting africans.
 * 5) A pic with a famous person being photoshopped so it looks like he/she is performing sex or doing something disgusting.
 * 6) A gif showing an actual BDSM sexual act.
 * 7) A fake gif showing someone cutting his own fingers.

We use things like that for satire and we do our best not to get too gross, but sometimes satire needs to be nasty in order to work. So, does anyone have any experience of sys admins removing content like that? We really need a precise answer (a few of the aforementioned contents were actually removed from our current host) because browsing who knows how many pages of two foreign countries' regulations is not really an option for mere hobbysts as we are.--Wedhro (talk) 12:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello this seems fine, as long as it is not illegal in california and the netherlands. See reply at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_Use#About_disturbing_content (bottom) please. Paladox (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Creation of new groups
I file this request here since the intention is for it to only apply to meta. I believe that the community needs a some change, namely the introduction of a Global Renamer and Flood flag. These groups are based on the principle of least privilege (if you are busy mass deleting stuff you should only need the rights you need) and the global rename one allows experienced users to contribute extra to the community. While the flow of requests is little this will encourage more community participation and a better, more stable community. Vote for change and lets all enter this new era together --Sau226 (talk) 05:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Changing the color of navigation tabs
Hello, I wanted to ask if there was any information on how to change the color of the navigation tabs at the top of the page ("Edit", "Read", and "Discussion" for example), as well as the borders they have. I've done it before on the Wikia Monobook skin before it was removed as a feature, but I have no idea how to do it again for the Vector skin. So far I've managed to edit the entire skin for my wiki and its background, but not the top tabs or the footer. Any information at all is appreciated. :)


 * Wiki: https://xyon.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
 * MediaWiki:Vector.css: https://xyon.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector.css

Not sure if I'm doing something wrong here but I'm trying to get a good feel of what everything does on MediaWiki compared to Wikia. Also as a side request, is there anyway to make the background image remain fixed in place rather than repeating every time you scroll down an article? Thanks! Vivaporius (talk) 13:03, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The id for the tabs is . Modifying the css for that should change all the navigation tabs. Next,   is invalid for  . I think it should look something like:


 * -- Void  Whispers 14:51, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've tried it myself on my wiki, and found out it only works for background color (see this). I don't know how to change borders.--開拓者 (talk) 15:29, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe those borders are actually background images. Not too sure what to do about them then. -- Void  Whispers 16:02, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You guys are amazing. Thanks! Vivaporius (talk) 22:02, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S. (@Void) I've found out that images used in  and   appear as if they were the borders of the tabs, and now I can control them at my will.
 * (@Vivaporius) It seems that you forgot to add   in front of the color code in some of the mods you made yesterday, causing the borders not appearing as intended.--開拓者 (talk) 07:46, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I cannot log in
To whom it may concern,

I'm am trying very hard to understand this, but I cannot log in to All the Tropes. The only link to the subject claims it has something to do with cookies, but I have now deleted them four times. Not that I even know what that means. The instructions given make no sense to me whatsoever, and I cannot post in any of the forums without logging in. My user name is HeneryVII. Can you please forward this to someone who can help? Can anyone just restore or rollback

my login status?

Sincerely, Brian Corvello
 * What's the exact error you are getting? Is it "No active login attempt is in progress for your session.", or can you login but not stay logged in? -- Void  Whispers 20:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, please try logging back in, we have invalidated all user sessions to see if that fixes it. Paladox (talk) 21:00, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Still won't work. The message I get is:
 * "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again."
 * So can you please restore or rollback my logged in status on All The Tropes? I really don't know what to do.
 * Hi, please try clearing your cookies. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 00:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sir, as I keep trying to explain, I've done that already, many times. I'm sort of a n00b here. Someone's telling me to purge the cache, but I have no idea what he means.
 * Sir, as I keep trying to explain, I've done that already, many times. I'm sort of a n00b here. Someone's telling me to purge the cache, but I have no idea what he means.


 * The same thing is happening with me. But not on this wiki. I'm able to log in just fine on this one. However, on the Lost Minecraft Miners Wiki (https://wiki.lostminecraftminers.org/), every time I try to log in, I get the same notice: "There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again." This has been going on for a week now - and I've repeatedly tried rebooting the browser, restarting the computer, trying a different computer, trying my phone... nothing works.--Madminecrafter12 (talk) 23:52, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This often happens to me, and what it usually means is that I have cookies disabled. I disable cookies in Firefox but have an exception enabling Miraheze, but sometimes it seems that I have to not just have this exception, and it is not sufficient that Miraheze already has a cookie on my PC, I have to actually enable them generally (and having done so, then really start over, not just fill in the form again).  Then I can turn cookies off generally, again.


 * At any rate, it would be really nice if the error message were more specific about what the "problem with the login session" is, have less pap about how diligent MediaWiki is against hijacking, and avoid telling you to take action which, without a correction, will simply fail again.  01:11 11-Jun-2018